"The amount of times she told me that stupid 'I have protest signs older than you in my basement' shit," Ocasio-Cortez wrote in a text that's cited in the book. "Like yeah but mine don't collect dust."
Spicy!!
Old people love to rest on the laurels of having been progressive a long time ago, and like it’s great that they were and it’s ok and good to pass on the torch, but also if society catches up with you and passes you that’s not great. I’ve protested with old people who protested for civil rights for everyone in the 60s into the 20s. I admire and respect them because they didn’t stand still watching the future pass them by. But Pelosi seems to not get that we built on what she did and she was always welcome to progress with us.
We could have had Bernie 🥲
It was never really an option. Sanders far outperformed even his expectations. But in running as he did. He showed others how to actually make change. Work from within the party to pull them left. Sanders's performance and work as a Democrat senator did more to pull the party left than 100 years of 3rd party protest votes. This is the lesson we should go away with. And never stop applying it.
DNC misread the room. It was populist season, and only one populist ran…
So infuriating. Reminds me of a guy I chatted with who was involved in the civil rights protests. He was in opposition to BLM protests because he felt like a lot of the claims about racism were imagined. Essentially "yeah we fixed all that, everything is fine now." Me: . . .
Old people love to rest on the laurels of having been progressive a long time ago
The reason I'm glad John Lewis is no longer my Congressman.
IMO it became very evident very quickly after Trump became president, that Pelosi was extremely bad for the Democrats. Pelosi actively prevented Democrats from acting on issues that had a clear majority and great significance.
It's absolutely a plus for Democrats that Pelosi is finally out.
Her insider trading was also drawing a lot of heat. Now we've all forgotten about it!
Not with you reminding us of it! Goddammit.
Alright, everybody gather around and look steadily at this little flash light.
We must also not forget that there's a bunch of Republicans that made even more profit than her doing the same thing but they never get talked about! Politicians should only be allowed to invest in total market ETFs!
I would go back further to the Dubya days and say it's been clear since that era that Pelosi was not great and new leadership was necessary.
"I thought things would get worse," Ocasio-Cortez wrote in another text cited in the book. "I thought a lot of my misery was due to leadership more broadly having a thing against me. But … my life has completely transformed. It's crazy. And it's that that made me realise it was kind of just [Pelosi] the whole time."
"Senior members talk to me, [committee] chairs are nice to me, people want to work together," the congresswoman added. "I'm shocked. I couldn't even get floor time before."
Very interesting. Like AOC, I thought that she'd be in trouble under Jeffries, who has a reputation in NYC as someone who is really confrontational with the left, whereas Pelosi is seen as at least sort of progressive. I wonder if the difference has something to do with age - Pelosi is probably more progressive for her age cohort than Jeffries is for his, but she's just so ancient.
Pelosi could whip votes like no other. Dems had razor thin margins and she'd make sure shit still got done.
I love AOC but it makes perfect sense that one of the most liberal members was less happy under Pelosi. She forced compromise from the most liberal and most conservative members of the democratic party because otherwise they'd never have the votes to do anything at all.
Look at the Republicans struggling with a few votes to spare. Pelosi had that shit on lock.
Democrats do have all the votes locked in even without Pelosi. Practically all the dems are smart, intelligent, reasonable people who are capable of compromise. Even the most conservative or progressive ones. They don't need someone to stand there with a whip in order to get things done. Maybe a few decades ago they have still behaved like a herd of cattle (as the republicans still do), with a whole bunch of idiots among them who wandered off at every chance against their own good. But those times are gone. Pelosi however got stuck in that loop and can't realize the world and democratic party has changed.
Pelosi had some serious contempt for the younger generations. She gripped to power like a military junta. She definitely believed in seniority and made you adhere to the ruling class tradition. Fuck her.
Pelosi had to actually pass legislation so she needed every vote by hook or by crook, and AOC was among the crowd that needed to be cajoled often.
Jeffries has only been in leadership as the minority leader so he can just oppose most legislation from the Republican House, and it's not like AOC is going to want to somehow oppose it even harder. He doesn't need to do the cajoling.
I have to agree. I am not a fan of Pelosi, but she was effective (so long as what she was doing was makingbthr right people money).
I really don't get why she is running again though. Guess she wants to keep getting that juicy inside info for her stock portfolio.
There is no retirement for a lot of people, probably especially rich people. It's not about the money, it's about the job being their main identity. Charlie Munger was a 99 year old billionaire who was still working at Berkshire Hathaway when he died.
Boomers need to go. Its that simple!!
Father time is taking care of that just not always as quickly as we hope.
Isn’t she of the Silent Generation?
The article notes that Jeffries has been described as more available for "a quick text", among other things.
Does Nancy Pelosi know how to text? My own grandparents are slightly older and still view texting as some sort of weird fad that only teenagers do.
of course a republican and a democrat wouldnt get along. they have completely different ideals.
say it. i dare you.
I'll dare. This is just like Trump's RHINO garbage. Not pure enough for you?
alrighty. I've watched the democrats sit on their thumbs and do fuck-all for over 40 years. that is the definition of conservative if you remove the fascist parts, which are wholly republican.
they trimmed a conservative love letter to insurance companies by mitt called 'obamacare' and called it a huge win while spending trillions policing the world and telling americans what they can do to their bodies.
current democrats are yesterdays republicans. and pelosi? what a conservative cunt.
You have said the actual truth.
Democrats should be viewed as an enemy of progressives ... because they ARE. They constantly hamstring progress and constantly capitulate to Republicans. They are nothing but an excuse for normies to ignore the rise of fascism. The fact they sometimes slow Republicans down is nothing but the coincidence of having someone who doesn't vote ENTIRELY in lockstep with the Republicans.
Progressives like AOC being in the Democrat party is nothing but a consequence of our shitty two-party system. I'm positive neither of those fucking ghoul parties would be in power if we had a proper voting system.
Democrats should be viewed as an enemy of progressives … because they ARE. They constantly hamstring progress and constantly capitulate to Republicans. They are nothing but an excuse for normies to ignore the rise of fascism.
They're literally white moderates.
Because neoliberals always sell us out to corporations. They're moderate Republicans fiscally when it comes to helping the public.
I think you need some education. Review this woman's career and ask yourself honestly how conservative she seems. If what you read on the following page sounds like a conservative to you, I think your definitions are skewed as fuck.
I'd argue it's fair in both cases.
The two parties are big tent parties, often hosting people with disparate opinions on the same issues. The Squad is as Democratic as Pelosi...even though the latter uncritically supports Israeli genocide.
Similarly, the House Freedom Caucus is as Republican as Mitt Romney, even though the latter want to invade Mexico "to stop drug cartels".
That's kinda the whole problem with the Republican and Democrat parties: they take a bunch of nuanced political views and then basically turn it into a yes/no poll. I intend to vote for Joe Biden again, but I'm more AOC than Pelosi. I'm 100% certain that there's a conservative out there that will vote for Trump again that's more Mitt Romney than Jim Jordan. And I don't really think that's a flaw of people, but of the political system itself.
Thank you, this is exactly what @originalucifer is exhibiting. They ignore all of what Pelosi has fought for over the years, simply because she's not as far left as they are. And then they categorize anyone not as far left as them as a conservative/Republican. It's an us-vs-them purity test, designed to sow division, not guild a coalition against actual conservatives/Republicans.
Pelosi was speaking FOR universal healthcare back in the 90s. By the time the ACA was up, she was pushing back against it.
Her words DO NOT match her actions. She is not an honorable person, and anyone who honors her is a brainwashed moron.
So Trump is a Real Human In Name Only?
A lot of the improvement AOC is experiencing could also be due to her becoming a more seasoned congresswoman.
I feel like a lot of things will completely transform for the better when the silent generation and boomers are gone.
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