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ROFL this thread is hillarious. OP sure picked the wrong instance to ask their question.
(For fuck sakes: Please do not ask questions (expecially questions that may involve politics) in TankieLiteEdition.ml, aka: lemmy.ml)
The ruling class of China is the proletariat?
Surely they have never been to China.
I mean... I surely don't mean to imply that most countries are much better in this regard, the US least of all, but come on.
Xi wants to extend his life through organ transplants. You know, just normal working class stuff!
No one ever seems to get what the "proletariat" is, either.
Visit enough countries around the world and you'll eventually get to see how same-y the average person is, regardless of location. Working class people just live for getting through the next day and the small happinesses that life brings.
But political ideology is in the habit of molding the proletariat into whatever model citizen concept is pushed by the owner class. They construct a more convenient idea of the Everyman that fits their brand of politic and punish those who fail to adhere to that model.
This makes it more convenient for world governments to push nationalism like "Americans do X, Chinese do Y, and that's why we hate each other," based on the platonic concepts they envision their respective proletariat to be. The reality is that everyone is way more alike than they are different, and the ideologues in power hate that fact.
cultural genocide against the Uyghurs
That’s not a real thing.
dilutes Tibetan culture and wants to
Show me the Tibetans who miss living as illiterate serfs under autocratic feudalism and I’ll show you the CIA-backed, “suck my tongue” royal family and its deputies.
The genocide denial is coming from inside the house.
yes, china is proletariat, very smart
Clearly the hammer and sickle are above the luxury brand, therefore this symbolizes how the proletariat is in control of the means of production or something.
Cowbee giving a lesson on why anarchism should be the goal, and then whiplashing that into support of authoritarianism. Great job. Very praxis.
taiwan not seeking independence
Because they literally can't. Like, imma point a gun at your forehead and tell you to not yell or i'll shoot, would you yell?
Cowbee is an idiot that only took guided tour as a white person and then say nothing is wrong.
I have not spoken to every 中国人
But I am quite sure that cowbee has not spoken to any of them.
In order to eliminate class, we must support the advancement of a class.
Neat!
Legitimately, though I'd love it if a tankie was brave enough to come into this thread to explain why Western nations have better working conditions and more worker rights than those of China.
Fr fr. My parents literally have a 1.5x bonus for working overtime, more breaks (still not a lot, but proportionally its more than the jobs they had before in China), actual work safety (well idk what this administration is gonna do, but there are still some state laws in place), and its overall less work hours they had to work compare to China, also Unions. And my father had trouble finding a job in China. Also, there's no protection against discrimination for older people, so if you look "old" they could straight up use that as an excuse to not hire you, and you have zero recourse. And sometimes in temporary layoffs, my parents can apply for unemployment compensation in the US, unemployments benefits are unheard of in China.
There are of course places better than the US (probably those in the EU), but PRC is not one of them.
focus on listening more than anything else
... because what you say might get you disappeared.
Ah yes
All states are authoritarian
That's the only thing that is in fact true in that CCP propaganda vomit.
Using it to claim that all states are and must be equally authoritarian, as a way to deflect criticism of authoritarians in a specific country, somewhat destroys the truth value of it. It's like claiming that all substances are toxic; technically true, too much of literally any substance will kill you, but if I then tell someone that because water and cyanide both have a lethal dose, it doesn't matter which they take because both are potentially deadly, I'd be attempting to deceive and therefore lying even if I use only technically true statements to imply a false conclusion.
If every state is authoritarian, then none are.
Authoritarian has a definition that would be useless if everything falls under it.
"China is a democratic country"
I have seen things like this lately, like "communism is democratic", I wonder if there is some specific agenda behind it.
Communism is a term that means nothing nowadays because there's 3+ completely different interpretations that do not agree with each other at all. That just kinda defeats the purpose of communication
just your usual tankies wanting so bad to be liberals but can't admit it due to cognitive dissonance.
well in theory Russian communism based its power on local soviets aka counsils
in practice, that function did not last ta few years.
i'm sorry but i'm downvoting for absolutely cursed mandarin even though i disagree with this cowbee claim.
老师对不起，我只上了二年级，然后就出国了。。。 🤷♂️
I'm basically just using english grammar in place of the missing knowledge lol
Also, I kinda suck at doing translations, as you can tell lol, cant quite find the right phrases to match (I know I could've use google translate, but nah, too lazy)
So you admit you're literate and thus not an emancipated peasant farmer? Opinions invalid, argument nullified, experience discredited. Checkmate shitlib capitalist.
I always link this classic whenever someone throws in the "just ask people in China".
I mean on the second paragraph, they're not entirely wrong. Chinese citizens do generally seem satisfied with the country and the quality of life there could be far worse. China isn't democratic on a national level, it does have local elections with approved candidates.
It just depends how much you care about your freedom of speech, which is a common western value.
Personally, I think the status quo on China isn't too bad.
Its much harder to find income in China, which is why my parents decide to immigrate to the US. (And before anyone says "socialized healthcare" nope, AFIAK, you don't get free healthcare, at least not when my parents and I left)
Yeah, definitely not free. When I was working there I had to have an employer-provided health insurance plan to be eligible for routine care. No different from the US.
There is a state Medicaid/Medicare type of social insurance plan in China, but it really sucks and barely covers anything. Almost like Medicaid/Medicare.
The other crappy part about trying to get healthcare in China is that you never know when someone is about to try to sell you some TCM woo when you're just looking for antibiotics.
TCM
Oddly enough, 凉茶 sort of works?
Maybe a placebo idk 🤷♂️
But yea my grandmother want to boil some weird herbs/animal organ... like... no thanks.
I have no idea if those stuff they sell at the TCM shops with those weird herbs actually do anything, but it taste bad and I have yet to hear from scientists talking about it, so nah, its just very bitter (or otherwise weird tasting) "soup" for unknown effects.
(I say "herb" but actually I have no idea what those plants things are, just search "traditional chinese medicine shop" and you'll see what I mean. There are like tons of those in New York City lol.)
These TCM stuff is kinda fucking with my depression, because my parents are very skeptical of "western" medicine, especially antidepressants which affects the brain, so they do not want me to take medication for depression. And I'm still a dependent on their insurance, and I have to rely on them to pay for medical bills. They think its some evil spirit or something... 🤦♂️
So yea idk what to do, depression sucks, especially with the ongoing US wave of xenophobic policies by the current administration.
I love a good tea when I have a sore throat, because it helps alleviate the scratchy/coughy sensations.
But I'd also like some goddamn amoxicillin when I have strep, please.
I have a Chinese friend currently living there and is unemployed. They have said there are no benefits.
Personally, I think the status quo on China isn’t too bad.
except for those under the threat of imperialism