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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 76 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's always interesting when they use expressions like, god-given rights. That's not how it works. A right, in the US, is a privilege that has stronger legal protections. That's all. It's definitely not given by anyone other than the US government.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (7 children)

In the united states these rights are seen as given by a higher power and administered by the government. With the belief that if the government fails to administer them individuals may pursue them by other means

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[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 434 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Nah empathy is for the weak.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 139 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Well fuck. Now I have to actually have empathy for his death or he will get what he wants. 😭

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 165 points 2 days ago (15 children)

have empathy for his children, who didn't ask to be born into this

and uh I guess that's about it

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago

He did say kids should see public executions.

"Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised. I think at a certain age, its an initiation...What age should you start to see public executions?" -Kirk

https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073

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[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 79 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don’t really agree with much about anything this guys says but at least he’s willing to commit to what he believes and leads by example.

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[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What a terrible person to not miss.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 333 points 2 days ago (26 children)

I’m getting pretty fucking sick of seeing this ‘no one should be killed for their political beliefs’ take going around.

He wasn’t killed for his beliefs. He was killed because he dedicated his life to terrorizing everyone who isn’t a conservative white man, and was materially supporting state violence in the pursuit of white supremacy.

That is 100% something we have firmly established that people should be shot for, in multiple wars throughout the last few centuries.

[–] luyapapi@social.friendcraft.club -2 points 16 hours ago (12 children)

@surph_ninja @jballs How exactly did Charlie Kirk "terrorize" anyone? It was just words, dude! Dramatic much? Charlie Kirk engaged in dialogue. He welcomed conversation, even when he disagreed. He was killed because he called out the lunacy of our culture.

I feel like I am living in the story of The Emperors New Clothes and the people who actually call out the stupidity are being made fun of...and killed now. You need to get a grip on reality.

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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

materially supporting state violence

Dingdingdingdingding.

Here's the winner, right here. Fascist fucks want to go around pretending that only billy clubs and bullets and bombs count as "violence." Inflicting mass starvation on people, withholding medical care, stealing workers' wages they depend upon to survive, and brutalizing minorities and marginalized groups (oftentimes with actual up front physical attacks) is "just doing business."

So news flash to the chucklefucks: That's not how it works. State sponsored violence is still violence, and so it follows the oppressed have a right to defend themselves. It sure sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, don't it?

But it turns out there's an easy way to defend yourself from that sort of thing. All you have to do is not be an evil and hateful fuck whose policies and actions threaten the lives of others and their right to exist.

[–] Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works 85 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Seriously, he's words and actions have probably resulted in the deaths of others, why shouldn't he have gotten this outcome?

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[–] deaf_fish@midwest.social 60 points 2 days ago (25 children)

There was a way around this that would have resulted in no deaths. Trump should been prosecuted for the January 6th insurrection. Then we should have put a bunch of fascists in jail for a long time. Then we should have de-platformed grifters.

But none of that happens so. We get what we get.

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I was about to comment on how no-one ever actually uses the 2A to do any good but then I gathered from context that I've slept through half a news cycle.

Fkin a

[–] phoenixarise@lemmy.world 125 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I guess some people can change.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I wonder what was going through his head at that moment.

oh right, the shockwave.

[–] binomialchicken@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I dislike this for so many reasons, but I laughed out loud which means I am legally obligated to upvote

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[–] python@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 161 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Wikipedia editors already 'was'ed all his 'is's 😂

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[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago (7 children)

It's my birthday today so hearing about it is one of the best birthday gifts

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 93 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Great foreshadowing too.

Earlier this year, Utah passed House Bill 128 allowing people to conceal carry firearms on university campuses. One of the campuses where conceal carry was now permitted is, of course, Utah Valley University, where Charlie Kirk was visiting today. He was sitting under a tent with the slogan "Prove Me Wrong".

Immediately before the shooting, he was taking questions from the audience:

“Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?” an audience member asked. Kirk responded, “Too many.”

The questioner followed up: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”

“Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked.

Then a single shot rang out.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-valley-university-event-spokesperson-says

It's unfortunate that he's ineligible for the Darwin Award because he leaves behind 2 very young children and a culture warrior wife, because otherwise he'd be a great nominee for the 2025 Darwin Awards. Normally to get a Darwin Award someone has to directly kill themselves. But, I think in this case we could have make an exception for someone who was a cheerleader for gun rights and was sitting directly under a banner saying "Prove Me Wrong" when he was killed with a gun.

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[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Charlie Kirk died defending the 2nd Amendment 😂

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[–] bacon_pdp@lemmy.world 176 points 2 days ago (10 children)

I guess that is living up his beliefs; have to respect a man that does that.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 112 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I wouldn't use the word "living".

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[–] ideonek@piefed.social 128 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Things Trump do to stop people from talking about Epstein...

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[–] 58008@lemmy.world 110 points 2 days ago (13 children)

I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadn't been there (which they were) they'd undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. That's a hell of a way to lose a parent.

The fact that he died while in the middle of talking about trans mass shooters being a huge problem certainly makes it feel like cosmic karma at work. I struggle to give a shit about the man himself being shot dead. But I do worry about political violence... it's a very rare occasion when murdering someone sitting in a chair talking is a good idea. Not a single person in his right-wing sphere of repugnance is going to do any self-reflection and change their ways, they'll just become even more rabidly anti-everything left of Hitler. Shit like this doesn't go unanswered too often. Violence is a contagion with no cure except time, and the clock gets set back another decade every time someone retaliates. I'm sure we could chain all of these assassinations together into a causal sequence. But even if they're all independent events, the narrative-makers will be hard at work making it sound like a grand battle of the ages, so the result is the same either way.

Source: History, memory...

P.S. Any bets that the shooter was a MAGA nut? Seems to be the trend 👀

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 62 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadn’t been there (which they were) they’d undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. That’s a hell of a way to lose a parent.

It's what he wanted. Quick, too.

It is fucked for those kids though. Not their fault.

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[–] shittydwarf@piefed.social 153 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Holy shit, I'm in the middle of buttfuck nowhere with no internet for days, and THIS is the news that comes through when I reconnect?! Perhaps I treated this timeline too harshly

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 158 points 2 days ago (7 children)
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[–] smoker@lemmy.zip 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why do god-given rights need to be protected?

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[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 91 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is a TRAGEDY! WHY couldn't they MURDER A BUNCH OF KINDERGARTNERS Instead? This SUCKS! It's TIME for Trump to send the Military into the Shithole Blue state of Utah!

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[–] dumbass@leminal.space 41 points 2 days ago

Too soon?

Nah he's cold now, it's all good.

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 55 points 2 days ago

Why didn't he just edit out his death, like he did with all the debates he lost? Is he stupid?

[–] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 85 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Not too soon. Just in the neck of time.

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[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 81 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"No Way to Stop This Happening" Says Only Country Where This Regularly Happens.

America's Finest News Source

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[–] tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 88 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Aaaand this is how I found out. Good riddance!

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