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[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

russian propoganda is widespread in France it seems

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 3 points 19 hours ago

What do you mean? Russian propaganda clearly positions Soviet Communism as a superior ideology to Nazism.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

if communism = facism then facism = communism. Does that sound even remotely sane? Dumb monument. Though frankly i cant even understand how anyone would get something like that from a wireframe guy telling about huge fish it almost caught.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For most morons in the world, the fact that the English translation of the Nazi’s name has “socialist” in it was proof enough for them.

God forbid we want to prevent the Elon musks and the Peter Thiels and even the John D Rockefellers of the world from just wrenching control from the rest of us entirely using their massively outsized wealth. You can still get a good wage and live in your bigger house running your hvac installer company or whatever, it doesn’t mean being paid in bread rations and it doesn’t mean putting people in camps, assholes.’it means The Koch brothers have no incentive to fight off solar energy so they can keep seeking you poison sludge that gives you cancer

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 19 hours ago

Wdym "in english" even in german their name was national-sozialisten lol

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz -5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

They're obviously not equal in their ideology and what kinds of shit they promote... but they are both harmful to civilization.

As a detail, Les Républicains is France's "liberal conservatist"[0] center-right party. Not a Russian psyop party like Le Pen's Rassemblement national.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_conservatism

[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

Calling les Républicains centre-right is simply incorrect, when their president publicly said "the rule of law is not sacred" and jokingly that he is "waiting to get absolute power". Half of them have already rallied to RN directly and the remaining are just pushing for the same brutal policies and systemic racism. They are extrem-right if not fascists.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 51 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (28 children)

Listen, people from the former Soviet bloc, we get it, you were traumatized. But you can't just blanketly force your bad experience on the rest of us. In much of the world, the polarity of your experience was reversed. Communists were (and are) the people arguing for democracy for human rights and for liberty. And they were the people persecuted and jailed and tortured for this. Joke all you like, but it's just simply historical fact in places ranging from Spain and Greece to like Indonesia and Nepal. And in those places, the conflation of communism and Nazism as "totalitarianism" is just obscene.

In France in particular, I mean look at the tricolour: socialist ideas are part of what being French is. And this fascist mayor is doing something obscene, essentially lumping the collaborationists and the pétainistes together with the people who fought against them for a free french people.

Yes, your experiences are valid, but they are not the only ones that are valid.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Listen, people from the former Soviet bloc,

I'm confused who you're addressing your comment to. The article is about a French town. That's not the former soviet bloc.

[–] aeshna_cyanea@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The most rabid anticommunists online tend to be people from eastern Europe or immigrants (or their descendents) from there

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 day ago

That's entirely where the perspective comes from, even if it's second-hand, since most other people don't have direct experience living in a communist society.

Or Nazi society for that matter, but got the most part we have consensus on that one being universally awful.

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[–] Lembot_0004@discuss.online 83 points 2 days ago (64 children)

Nazism and communism are completely different concepts.

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[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

This thread feels like i just sat down for some coffee and a cigarette at a corner cafe on a cool April morning in Paris, 1871...

[–] FlowerFan@piefed.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Authoritarian gouvernements that claim to be for a certain group of people but then only enrich themselves while terrorizing the enemies of the state as well as those that they claim to represent.

The difference lies in the economic systems, the political ones are eerily similar for two ideologies supposed to be on opposite ends of the spectrum.

[–] SmoothOperator@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll always prefer ideologies that aim to do well but end up misused for power over ideologies that directly aim to do evil.

Nazism aims to end the "oppression" of the straight Aryan man by destroying Jews, queers and so on.

Communism aims to end the oppression of the worker by ending private property and seizing the means of production.

Even if many or all communist systems end up in violent autocratic tyranny, I'll never equate the two ideologies or their followers.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago

Exactly. Striving for egalitarianism is objectively more ethical than whatever fascism is.

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