Damn I wonder why this can't be tied to the left? 🤔 Makes you think
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They'll make something up. It'll be a bad forgery, but they'll run with it because they're arrogant.
“Yet”
The investigation will continue until we have completed the manufacturing process.
I'm sure they are looking for some sense of organization, a group that they can define and eliminate. That's not going to happen. Read "The Starfish and the Spider: The Unstoppable Power of Leaderless Organizations." This is a leaderless movement where the rhetoric of some inspires others to violence without there being any material connection between the two. It'll increase and it won't stop so long as the conditions continue and so long as these don't morph into an organization with leadership.
None of these shooters are left wing though. It's not like the only thing the administration is wrong about is their level of organisation. The premise that there is a left-wing extremism problem is completely false. They're trying to pin all this violence on completely the wrong people so that they can ramp up their persecution of trans people and anti-fascists.
"Yet" appears to be editorialized. The actual quote doesn't use that word
Don't worry I'm sure they'll find some eventually if they just keep looking. The libs are very good at hiding themselves. Sometimes they vote for republicans, that's a sure sign their liberal, voting for republicans.
lol It’s so obvious that they’re starting this investigation with a “conclusion” and they’re trying really hard to make it fit.
I think the only reason there hasn't yet been a full-blown pogrom against the LGBTQ community is that the shooter they apprehended was a far-right groyper and not the far-left antifa terrorist they assumed would target someone like Kirk.
But with the sheer number of people on the left openly celebrating Kirk's death, I don't think they'll really need evidence to start going after the left.
I heard that he might be one at first, but newest news say exactly what the article said: no groyper, no leftist.
Which makes sense because it both sounded weird to me that a leftist would write “whoever reads this is gay lol” or that a right-winger would write “Bella chiao” or “take that, fascist”.
I think one of them said catch fascist or something like that. Which is kind of funny. But if you can read this you are gay. I think he was just messing with everybody at this point.
Pretending to be sad about the spearhead of the Nazi youth is just pathetic. Even if everyone pretended it would not stop them, it is just a matter of if you go down swinging or not.
Doesn’t matter the right made up their minds about this the second he was shot.
Since when have the american right ever cared about facts? These guys are all feefees, no brain. Its why every time somebody capitulates to their demands they create a new dumber demand.
But somehow trans people are the terrorists. The Heritage Foundation even cited Tyler Robinson as evidence of "trans shooters"
I know that the apparently had a trans woman mate but was he personally himself trans, I hadn't heard that. Was it just more made up nonsense.
It honestly doesn't matter. Did or didn't, left right, or corkscrew. If we knew definitively now factually 100% he can conclusively be put into 1 bucket. The facts don't matter to them. The truth is already in.
To be on their side, you "know" the "truth".
And if you don't "know" the "truth", than by gee you seem awfully suspicious mr...
And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed – if all records told the same tale – then the lie passed into history and became truth.
— George Orwell, 1984
If the Discord groups he hung out in were leftist or in any way "antifa" they would have been screaming about it this whole time. He hung out in far right meme circles. It looks like they've decided on the lone, crazy gunman approach so they can avoid accountability yet again.
And there won't be.
This was predicted during the first Trump administration. A MAGAt is primed for violence for ten years & then figures out he's been lied to and propagandized the entire time. They then use that violence on the very scum that lied to them.
Sometimes the Stochastic terrorism boomerangs.
They don't need any links or ties to justify their hate. They just need feelings of being oppressed, wronged, robbed, and disrespected. There is no excuse needed to blame and attack people who aren't like them. It's in their DNA, they've done this since before this country was a country.
Yeah, no kidding there is no connection because there is virtually nothing organized on the left. And what prominent left wing groups use the kind of stochastic terrorism that the conservatives use?
I mean, on the conservative side, it starts from the very top, with Taco, and continues on down to the very bottom to your average red-hatter. All of them constantly make threats involve violence, all the time.
Taco talked about "second amendment people".
Project 2025 architect says there will be a bloodless revolution, if liberals allow it.
Kirk gets shot and the conservatives all, without knowing anything about the shooter, decared war on the majority of the country...
I hate to say this but I feel like nbcnews will be shut down for this article
Reality doesn't matter.
No. The right has decided and they’re banded together on this, at least among the people in my circles I still talk to.
“I’m all out of grace for the left.”
“You fascist, hate filled leftists have crossed the line this time. We’re done.”
“We’re past dialogue with you people.”
Catch the running theme? It’s likely what the pundits are pushing as the narrative, I’ve been too busy and too tired to listen in this week, so I don’t know.
And neither do they. But someone on the perception management team over there seems ready to give marching orders.
So yeah, as you say, it likely doesn’t matter.
I don't know why anyone cares about this kid. He's the alleged shooter. The feds still haven't provided anything credible to prove he was the guy, no video of the kid on the roof with the rifle, no bullet, no medical report, weird people in the crowd causing a distraction, tampering of the crime scene, clearly fake text exchange...there are so many more important questions that need answers.
And yet, even with this dude they don't have a shred of evidence of left-wing involvement.
Bullshit. I heard his bestmates' mothers' hairdresser's nephew once changed the oil on a cars transmission.
Checkmate, you murderous loony lefties!!!
But we sure are lookin'. Cletus has gotten into generative AI, so we'll see what comes up.
He's a shadow recruit of George Soros, who is incredibly rich with $7 billion, which is a lot more than Elon Musk's paltry $429 billion and why he's so much more effective than poor, sensible, people like Musk at influencing politics and must be stopped. /j
Here is what we know for sure about the shooter's politics. His entire childhood, he was raised right wing. He even dressed up as Trump for Halloween a year or two ago.
Unless he specifically joined a group that promotes violence, there is simply no reason to think that his violence came from anything but his childhood.
So, even if it was hypothetically true, what MAGA has been saying, that he had recently been dating a trans woman, and his politics had changed, even if that hypothetical was true, it would just mean that his conservative upbringing that glorified violence got a different target.
Man I really thought his steam play history (specifically power washing simulator) was going to reveal some radical left links!
If he was a lefty they would have been rubbing our faces in it day 1, not doctoring social media messages.
That is a load bearing “yet!”
What leftwing groups or even prominent individuals in the US with any actual following advocate for political assassinations and direct violence against rightwing people they don't like? Where are all the lefties supposedly making calls to violence and terrorism?
The media and even a lot of people here will flip a shit about someone like Hasan Piker being so radical and yet if he even remotely said something like "maybe we should just start shooting rightwing media figures" an overwhelmingly massive chunk of Hasan's audience would tell him to fuck off and cause an uproar because that clashes with the basic foundational ideologies of leftwing movements in the US, they are about obtaining a state of freedom for all, the idea of targeted violence has little salience to a US leftist as we are well aware that 1. senseless violence doesn't change anything, it will not lead to freedom for all, it just accelerates the bad things. 2. the ruling class in the US will jump at any chance to radically villainize the left, the bulk of the country will blindly follow along in this, thus random senseless acts of violence aren't just bad because they are evil they actually existentially threaten leftwing movements in the US as a whole, leftists in the US are WELL aware of this...
The difference between the left vs the center and rightwing of the US is that the left actually builds coalitions on shared values, most leftists in the US these days are strongly influenced by figures like Bernie Sanders who has been mainly focused on broad social programs to improve people's quality of life like healthcare and for fighting wealth inequality. How the hell would advocating for shooting someone like Charlie Kirk make affordable healthcare more likely in the US? How would it help get the public focused on Citizen's United and getting money out of politics? Leftists in the US are about ideas and policies, this isn't just an aesthetic, if you enter US leftist circles and start advocating for targeted violence as retribution, preemptive violence or really for anything for any reason at all the leftists around you are going to turn on you for being a hateful bastard trying to distract from the actual issues at hand.
If there is one thing that ties virtually all leftists in the US together it is that we fucking LOVE to argue about things.... so much so that sometimes we can never agree on stuff because we want to argue the little details on and on forever. It is not lost on us that the very first thing that happens when you commit violence against others is that they stop listening to the wisdom of your arguments and ideas.
Utah gov about to have another press conference, ‘he was so deep into the leftosphere that we haven’t even been able to uncover his presence yet. Mark my words, we are working hard to find the connection.’
Why not look at the other wing group? Ah too much evidence
Bro he has 2 discord messages in like 4 years and they read like 'trump might get impeached' and 'it looks like trump is in the lead' on election night.
Is there some line where it's acceptable to start murdering oppressors? No one would argue against jews murdering their nazi oppressers, but bisexual murdering homophobic stochastic terrorists? How much must one endure before being permitted to act in favor of their own survival?
Looking at how the palestinians have been treated and our reaction to their resistance shows people need to endure their complete extermination before the oppressors accept acts of defense.
The right knows full well that they openly cheer on terror acts from the right but they pretend to value the same ethics. They don't and we should not give them the benefit of the doubt. We should stand to what we say. It is time to take back the narrative.
Charlie Kirks killing was by no means a tradgedy and i will refuse to be sorry for such a dick reaping the hate he sowed while innocents are getting bombed with the very weapons we supply.