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[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Absolute scattershot of datapoints

Nooo he's so cute, I can interpolate him

Bestie, stop

[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

R^2^ = 0.11

Edit: tried with R2 but it didn't work. :(

Edit 02: thanks to @jaennaet for educating me on proper syntax.

[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You have to surround the 2 with ^s:

R^2^ = 0.11

R^2^ = 0.11

Note that this'll bork if you put spaces between the carets: ^2 2^ gives you ^2 2^

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know I'm late, but you can also use:
R² = 0.11

Someone said it messes with screen-readers, but when I tried, everything messed with screen-readers, so I don't see much of a difference.

[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd assume it's easier for people to get their keyboards to cough up a couple of carets compared to Unicode superscript characters, though

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[–] BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I love that they put an error margin, which doesn't include 90 % of all the datapoints.

[–] DonPiano@feddit.org 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's how a standard error with normal-ish data works. The more data points for the estimation of a conditional mean you have, the fewer of the data point will be within it. For a normal distribution, the SE=SD/√N . Heck, you can even just calculate which proportion of the distribution you can expect to be within the 95% CI as a function of sample size. (Its a bit more complicated because of how probabilities factor into this, but for a large enough N it's fine)

For N=9, you'd expect 26% of data points within the 95% CI of the mean For N=16, 19% For 25, 16% For 100, 8% For 400, 4% Etc

Out of curiosity: What issue did you take with the error margin not including most data points?

[–] DonPiano@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago

Oops, should have multiplied those intervals with 1.96, ao here again:

9 - 49%

16 - 38%

25 - 30%

100 -16%

400 - 8%

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I am 29, and so far I didn't really see any mental decline, sometimes even the reverse - I become better at learning certain stuff. Although I am also more aware that I will never be on the level some very talented people are, but it's fine.

[–] Hazzard@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't think this is neuroplasticity, as much as it is having a broader experience to bring to bear. I have so much knowledge and experience with a variety of things that I can apply and relate to new skills to learn things fairly quickly.

I also find there's a ceiling on my abilities, like you mentioned. I'm never going to learn something to the same depth as someone who learns it as a kid and carries it forwards, things just don't seem to sink deep into intuition and instinct like that, but I can certainly pick up something well enough to enjoy it and enjoy the process of improving at it. I love learning new skills and pushing myself, and I don't mind the idea that that's the way to age gracefully and stay sharp.

[–] Kage520@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not sure about this. People told me I would not be able to learn piano as an adult, but after 5 years of playing 15 - 30 minutes per night I feel like I am about as good as a child or teenager who put in the same amount of time. I am starting to see how people can sight read at full speed (vs me for an intermediate piece I might be able to get 20% speed, with probably poor accuracy).

I think you might be comparing someone else's 20 - 25+ years of experience (eg, someone who has consistently played piano their whole life) to your ability to pick up a new skill from scratch. There is just a huge time sink for a brand new topic and it takes anyone a ton of time. So if you really wanted to pick up some theoretical physics or something, but are currently bad at math, it might take 15 years just to get to the beginning to really be one someone's level who... Started 15 years ago.

Unless I guess if there is unlearning time. Like the smarter every day video where they made a reverse turning bicycle that was impossible for people to use unless they spent forever relearning, vs his son who picked it up relatively easy. I think they had to unlearn what they knew so well.

[–] Hazzard@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Mhm, that's fair. I feel like there is some degree of intuition and utter top level mastery that may be unattainable as an adult. But I'm talking about something like a second language feeling completely natural, or Olympic level mastery of a skill. And that requires a lot more than just being young as well.

It feels crazy to assert that you can't learn any skill as an adult though. It's absolutely hard to make the time like you could as a kid, but if you make it a priority, I feel like pretty much anything is possible. I certainly think you can learn more than enough to be satisfied and have a great time and impress others and all that good stuff. I don't need to be a prodigy or an Olympian at something to take joy in learning and doing it.

[–] martinb@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm never going to learn something to the same depth as someone who learns it as a kid

Lack of time to study or research in my opinion

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[–] ulterno@programming.dev 7 points 2 days ago

A lot of things are easier to learn when you have a base foundation.

Also, a lot of skills have interrelated mental pathways, so once you have enough exp with one, learning the other means, you are actually plasticising your brain, less than what you would have, had you learnt the other skill without knowing the first.

[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Played a reflex-based video game against a teenager lately?

[–] working_bee@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago

I feel like reflexes are different than learning. Motor control definitely gets worse over time.

[–] Sektor@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Played a fiddle vs the Devil?

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Im in my thirties and still average reflex speeds around 150-175ms ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I don't really play competitive video games, because I have always seen them as waste of time, and I easily get angry,but recently I nearly did get all retroachievements for NES Terris (just one remaining), so I guess my reflexes are not horrible yet.

[–] Xartle@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I feel like the first time you notice that you have lost some mental capacity is a middle age right of passage.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 114 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] DonPiano@feddit.org 34 points 2 days ago (5 children)

That's stupid, though. If you can explain 11% of the variance of some noisy phenomenon like cognitive and behavioral flexibility, that's noteworthy. They tested both linear and quadratic terms, and the quadratic one worked better in terms of prediction, and is also an expression of a meaningful theoretical model, rather than just throwing higher polynomials at it for the fun of it. Quadratic here also would coincide with some homogenizing mechanism at the two ends of the age distribution.

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Whether you're right or wrong, starting your argument with "that's stupid, though" is unlikely to convince many.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

That's stupid though. People should change their minds when better information is presented regardless of tone!

[–] DonPiano@feddit.org 10 points 2 days ago

Maybe, yeah, but I kinda get annoyed at this kinda dismissiveness - it's a type of vague anti-science or something like that. Like.. Sure, overfitting is a potential issue, but the answer to that isn't to never fit any curve when data is noisy, it is (among other things) to build solid theories and good tests thereof. A lot of interesting stuff, especially behavioral things, is noisy and you can't expect to always have relationships that are simple enough to see.

You're probably right. But also, I was annoyed, not trying to convince. Maybe not the best place to post from. :)

well it convinced me, but I'm stupid and already made up my mind that I wanted to see a reply like that

[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yet it’s one single sample, and possibly not a great one. Few things could cause the shape seen like sample selection of healthy people ignores a lot more of the 65+ community than the younger, and also stuff like those born around the 50’s have higher lead levels could cause more of a dip, or like… plenty of stuff. After some repetitions sure but even then… that’s 11% hell I could probably put in an exponential with a negative exponent and be as accurate or better.

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[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 24 points 2 days ago (5 children)

But I have eyes and the curve they picked as best fit is really poorly fitting. It's such a poor fit that is almost in a dead zone of the random points.

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[–] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

This. I could have produced a more insightful scatter plot with a barn door and a twelve gauge.

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[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Currently 29. Noticed mental decline after concussions in my youth and a few years of heavy drinking. I don't fall on my head as much and I don't really drink anymore, but I'm not sure how much of what I've lost I'm going to get back.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've been there and all I can say is that the brain is a miraculous organ and can heal really well from a lot of trauma. You just have to stop damaging it, learn how to work with your brain rather than having your brain work for you, and exercise it. Challenge yourself to learn an easy skill, then another, then another.

What do you mean stop damaging it? What makes it sound like I'm not working with my brain? What makes it sound like I'm not exercising my brain?

No I'm not going to stop doing sports. I'm doing a lot to work with my brain, and I'm always learning something new.

I'm learning sumi-e painting to go with my calligraphy, I'm taking the time to get back into programming. This is my second year mountain biking and I've gotten pretty good at it over the summer. I journal every day and reflect, I've been making a lot of progress being less critical of myself. In doing all those things I've felt my social skills slip, so now I'm putting in the effort to be around people more and be vulnerable around them.

And yet I can feel places where my brain isn't as strong as it used to be. I'm accepting of that and trying to love myself in spite of my shortcomings. I don't need to optimize for everything, I can just focus on what's important to me.

[–] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have no scientific basis for this, but my suspicion is that what you do with your brain is more important to cognition than whatever raw intelligence you start with. the more languages you study, the more music you play, the more subjects you study and skills you develop and hobbies you tinker with and deep conversations you have... you learn to learn, you learn to think, it all gets wired up and cross-connected and you become more than the sum of your parts.

how much decline is truly biological vs. being stuck in a rut?

also there's nootropics that could be helpful for concussion recovery/etc. but they haven't been too well-studied, there's many different ones with different sketchiness and sources aren't always trustworthy... but piracetam (iirc) is actually prescribed in the EU for recovery from brain injury, and it's fairly safe and well-studied. I'm not recommending it either way though.

My friend is going through concussion rehabilitation right now and is working with one of the best doctors in the field. She has not been prescribed any medication at all. It's been 9 months maybe? Right now she's onto the stage where she need to get her heart rate up with exercise. Though it took a long time for doctors to actually start taking her symptoms seriously and she bounced around between a lot of them before she got where she is now.

We've had lots of talks about the recovery process, how you can train your brain to get better at certain things. And I've been doing lots of stuff to train my brain. But still friends will bring up symptoms they have and I'll be like, oh shit I didn't know that was concussion related!

But I think some of my symptoms are just going to be there for life. Language processing, memory (some memory has improved with training but sometimes I just get stuck and can't think of a word or name or whatever), visual artifacts, sound sensitivity, and I don't know if it's related but I definitely get depressed.

I think with training you can improve your life experience, but I'm not sure you'll ever get back to what it would be like without a concussion. Also I'm sure the 4-7 years of binge drinking didn't help either.

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 81 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Does that mean it is not true that it becomes harder to learn new things with age?

I'm 26 and I've been rushing gaining knowledge and experience very much so far for fear of just not being able to fit in much more once I reach certain age.

No I'm not virtue signaling, this is fucking stressful and I will be delighted to slow down a fuckton if that's true.

[–] StripedMonkey@lemmy.zip 135 points 3 days ago (3 children)

From a completely unscientific but 'experienced' perspective I think the problem is that life just gets in the way as you get older, and you prioritize your own life rather than trying to learn.

Whether neuroplasticity means you can learn things later or not, the opportunity to learn things later just isn't there without effort.

Having a job, kids, a mortgage and no social obligation to learn in a structured and organized way probably impacts you more than anything neurological.

[–] Kayday@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'd imagine it also has something to do with becoming less practiced at learning things.

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 72 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

As long as you continue to learn new things, then no, it doesn't become harder with age. In fact, studies show that people who are lifelong learners can actually increase their ability to learn as they age. Learning, for example, a foreign language in later years has been shown to be just as attainable as in childhood, and might even give some protection against dementia. Your brain can actually become more plastic as you age if you continuously push it to do so.

The idea that learning capacity naturally* diminishes with age seems to be a widely accepted myth (which may have roots in sociological and cultural biases), and the opposite may actually be true.

e: those biases and environmental stressors may also contribute to people becoming less able – or less prone – to try, though, and if you don't use it, you might lose that plasticity. So keep learning.

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[–] WalterLego@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 days ago

I started doing Capoeira and learning Portuguese with 40 years. I am fluent in Portuguese now after three years. My Capoeira skills are still pretty basic, but I progress and for the first time in my life I feel like I really have a grasp on any kind of sports.

I also changed from marketing to IT last year and I am getting really good at what I do.

It helps if you have a reference system for your new knowledge. I studied computer science which helps in my new job and I had French in school which helps with Portuguese.

So don't worry. Keep learning, avoid stress and drugs and prioritize getting enough sleep. You'll be fine!

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[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

As a subject I cam confirm. No

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (9 children)

guess the correlation, looks about like a solid 0.1. Whoever put that regression line in there is crazy, the confidence interval is insulting.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why does that fucking Thing require my Google account?

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