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[–] Saryn@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes.

Whether they want to admit it or not, that was the whole point - spite and making the people that make you feel insecure suffer out of spite.

It's a form of social regression that people in the Balkans like to sum up by saying "It's not important that I feel good. What's important is that the other person suffers."

[–] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Some people only feel 'successful' through their perceived 'position' in society.

They want to believe they are above others.

If you think like that, then pushing others down is a perfectly valid route to happiness - and far faster and easier than working on yourself would be.

[–] thax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Misery loves company, and making the population insecure such that they need to fragment into insular groups, creates an environment where conservatism and faith can spread, while the intellectual gains we've made throughout the information age are placed behind gates and degrade outside the walls. Trumpers were sold a path toward personal control, but it was clearly a bamboozle that affects us all, themselves being some of the hardest hit. We'll all suffer for the slide toward conservatism and ignorance, and the hierarchy will prosper for a little while longer.

We are in quite a pickle. Jumping on the pendulum, breaking out the pitchforks, and stringing up the other side would only further advance the very conditions that weaken the collective. We lose if we take the bait. We lose if we don't. Our best chance of success lies in resisting the push toward insularity and distributing quality information to all, against the torrent of propaganda from state-influenced media. Now, how the hell do we effectively distribute countervailing information to the population that needs it most (those drawn to faith-based argumentation)?

I know I'm preaching the obvious to the choir. Just a coffee ramble.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Too confrontarional, the people who should read it will stop after the first sentence.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

There's no coddling fascists

That was learned 2016-2020

Now is the time to mock them and to let them know their violent rhetoric leads to them getting shot.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

The people this is written for will never see it.

That's why I think this type of social media posting here is a waste of time. It is just preaching to the choir.

I think people understand that social media platforms curate content for them specifically (" the algorithm" or "my algorithm") but absolutely fail to understand that this is true for other people.

This type of thing will not show up in the feed of desired audience.

[–] maxmm77@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ariana didn’t write this. That Instagram person Matt did, and Ariana reposted it.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Matt Bernstein, he's also got a podcast called A Bit Fruity, which (imo) has some very good takes.

Nah it was Matt Berenstain

[–] shittydwarf@piefed.social 291 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 123 points 2 days ago (5 children)

We've reached the point of idiocracy where everything needs to be read aloud.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago

No, we haven't. Quit comparing everything to idiocracy; it was overly optimistic compared to reality.

Our problem is not well-meaning stupid people. Our problem is malevolent smart people leading hateful stupid people.

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And then have Grok summarize and "flavour" it.

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[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 1 day ago
[–] zululove@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Literally everybody is suffering and about to have a mental breakdown but some of them enjoy seeing other ppl suffer and that’s literally the only happiness in this land

[–] phx@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Yeah. A comment that stuck with me is "the type that would happily eat shit just to make others smell their breath". These types will suffer just so they can hurt others. They're hateful as fuck

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 95 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Yes. They are happier.

They aren’t interested in making life better for anyone. They want it shittier for everyone else rather than actually improve themselves so they don’t have exert any effort or make sacrifices. The suffering they do get from trump’s policies is unexpected or “worth it” to fuck over everyone else.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago

Exactly, it doesn't matter if Trump's administration makes life worse for MAGA supporters. He could make their lives a living hell for all they care, arguably they're already there. His supporters just want to see people they don't like get hurt. That's it, they want to witness cruelty. Any conservative who didn't jump off MAGA band wagon a long time ago has fully drank the cool-aid.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Over July 4th, I had a fun interaction with a guy running a firework stand in Indiana. I was out there visiting family, and my wife's stepdad asks the guy at the shop if the tariffs are impacting him. His response:

"It's fucked!" Then republican brain kicked in "b b b but u know it's worth it in the long term"

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is not how some Trump voters I know think at all; it's not how they think of Trump. Bring up any of these points and they'd think you're totally paranoid.

I witnessed a group of old guys watching the movie 'One Battle After Another' scratch their heads and have literally, honestly no idea what it was about.

It's because they're in the habit of watching Fox News or other 'old' media. Trump's just some Republican like they've always voted for with a bunch of hysterical finger pointers, and any Democrat is basically Jimmy Carter or Hillary Clinton.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

That's only a portion of Trump voters though. There are a lot of younger voters with less ingrained brain washing that came recently from new media.

I honestly don't know what you do about the people you are speaking of. I have some in my extended family and there is no convincing them of things after 3 decades of programming. Even foundational knowledge isn't the same.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 day ago (5 children)

You tell them that Donald Trump is a felon. He committed 34 felonies. He was found guilty by a jury. But the judge decided not to punish him. It's a crime that normally gets prison time and Donald Trump belongs in prison, but the judge was scared. They'll try to deflect and make excuses and every time they do, you just repeat "Donald Trump is a felon"

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 21 hours ago

you just repeat "Donald Trump is a felon"

Why, though? They don't care.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That one is pretty straightforward, at least: they don't think trump was really guilty of the crimes he was convicted of. In fact they don't even know what those crimes were, they just assume the charges were baseless and brought by liberal haters. The judge who gave him no punishment was just correcting a wrong done to trump.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And that's when you say a jury of 12 ordinary people looked at the evidence and said he was guilty. Trump said he didn't do that, so they looked at the records, and they found that Trump falsified business records. He paid a pornstar to cover up an affair and a lawyer to manipulate online polls, both illegally declared as a legal expense. The fraudulent payments helped him illegally influence the outcome of the 2016 election, and are therefore felonies. If he hadn't committed those crimes, he might never have been president in the first place. We don't get to see what a fair election would have looked like because of his crimes, which a jury decided he did indeed commit.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And that's when they abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.

Don't forget about the last part of the quote. In my opinion it could be there most important part. That is the reason to argue, because we want to show how ridiculous their arguments are to third parties.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Yeah at some point folks get too old to change. You can try to get them off Fox News at least, but it just depends. Sometimes you can't. Sometimes they really can't even learn a new kind of remote/cable or whatever.

Younger folks are deep down the influencer rabbit hole, and I don't know what to do about that (other than pushing Fediverse) since Big Tech has such an iron grip on everything. I mean, the future is definitely cyberpunk.

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[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 141 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's a rational question. Unfortunately it won't get the desired result, because the target audience is not going to behave rationally:

  • The media that they consume is following the fascist playbook. They're telling the audience that if things are not better yet, then it's because there are others still left to blame, and the worse things get the harder those others are going to be blamed for it.
  • Even if someone moves past that propaganda, it's been ingrained into them that to accept being incorrect is to admit failure. They've been primed to dig in and double down, lest their peers see them as a failure, or even worse as others.
[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 30 points 1 day ago

So many "My business is failing because of tariffs. Those dirty foreigners!" and then follow up with "Sure, I'd vote for him again! I support what he does."

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

The "others" suffering was payment enough for many.

[–] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 67 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't like Ariana's music, but I respect her as a person and she's very talented at what she does. Despite people constantly making fun of her.

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I'll admit, I used to be in the anti-Ariana crowd after the whole donut thing surfaced. (Despite being a dumb teen when it happened who, despite not doing things similar, could understand the social pressure of doing it.) But every interview snippet I've seen with her has shown that she's got a good head on her shoulders and most importantly isn't afraid to tell people they're being a jackass on live television.

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[–] Veedems@piefed.social 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

Respect to her for being brave enough, as a public figure, and risking an endless torrent of backlash.

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[–] 33550336@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Grand Ariana Grande <3

[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 55 points 2 days ago

They just want someone to suffer more than them

[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I keep asking the conservatives in my life this. Thanos snap, all migrants are gone, how has your life improved? The only straight answer I've gotten was a creative use of math to show how much the US would save on benefits. Their proof relied on an omission from their source about who is going to lose benefits. The cost of enforcement, detention and removal was outside the bounds of the original question.

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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 days ago (5 children)

She licked that donut that one time and I haven't been able to let that go.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (5 children)

You lick one donut, you get ridiculed for life.

You rape a bunch of women and children while committing financial crimes, you become President of the United States

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I want a six pack of Ariana Grande licked donuts and after each one I’d be like thank u, next.

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