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Nearly a third of Americans – 30% – say people may have to resort to violence in order to get the country back on track, according to the latest PBS News/NPR/Marist poll.

It’s a sharp rise from 18 months ago, when 19% of Americans said the same.

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[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 18 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Soap box, ballot box, ammo box. They're trying to take away the 1st 2, so...

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 12 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)
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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 15 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Pick up a history book.

Fascists don't allow fair elections.

Fascists don't stop when asked politely.

Unfortunately, that 30% is correct.

Arm yourselves and everyone you know. Form networks. Communicate via encrypted messaging apps.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 10 hours ago

"Those who make peaceful reform impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

[–] Beebabe@lemmy.world 19 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I have become worried I’ll need to defend myself against violent republicans because they are always talking about and actively hurting others.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 7 points 7 hours ago

Your concern is valid. "Worry" is a useless activity. Prepare.

They might not explicitly call themselves republicans. They might be implicitly or explicitly backed by The State. But there is a growing number of people with weapons and unmasked hate for othered humans.

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[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 20 points 9 hours ago

John Brown was right.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The justice system, from the government perspective, is primarily a guard against vigilantism. Once enough people lose faith in the justice system's ability to enforce the law with at least some degree of honesty and fairness, then the only option people see is to take justice into their own hands.

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[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 10 points 8 hours ago

The government said pacifism is naive and dangerous

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 13 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

That’s just people who admit it out loud. I know a few people who hint at this too but are afraid to say it out loud, especially if they have an Alexa-type device.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 54 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

This reflects a feeling of being backed into a corner. What else are we going to do when our political views and goals and ffs human beings are being criminalized? Every decent thing getting rolled back and every horrible thing dialed up to 11. Fuck republicans. One way or another they will regret this. Whether people vote them out or get violent with them remains to be seen but this will not last, obviously.

[–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 16 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

I can't wait until the day that these filth learn that we outnumber them 10 to 1.

It's up to them how they learn this fact.

[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 12 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (6 children)

I'm terrified of it.

I've talked to relatives on both sides of my family who have experience those times and they have nothing good to say about it.

My grandmother went from hoping the Nazis would ignore her, to hoping the American bombs would miss her, to hoping that the Russian soldiers wouldn't rape her.

My grandfather had guys from both the KMT and the CPC point guns at his head to try to get him to join (on separate occasions) and ended up a refugee.

Both China and Austria are doing very nicely now but boy did it suck getting there.

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[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

They aren't afraid. They have the Department of War, and ICE to protect them and their property.

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[–] SoloCritical@lemmy.world 16 points 12 hours ago (9 children)

Sounds delusional to me.. if we outnumber them 10 to 1 why the fuck is a republican sitting on the highest seat in the country? Everyone just sat out the vote??? Okay. Then what the fuck do you expect them to do to republicans if they can’t even vote?

[–] Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 11 hours ago

Collusion and deception

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SoloCritical@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Okay but without any sort of investigation or evidence this is just a tweet of a crazy rich person.. which by the way if we start taking every one of this cunts tweets as fact then I guess that cave diver that saved all those people was actually a pedophile and I also suppose you believe we will colonize mars by 2030? Or that Neuralink can cure all diseases?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 12 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Idiots got tired of not being allowed to be racist.

Harris was thoroughly unappealing to many, and the Democrats were masterfully outmaneuvered by the Republicans seeding shit about Gaza and rallying minorities against her.

In swing states there was definitely vote manipulation. You had Musk offering to pay people to vote.

I would say after the outcome of Project 2025, he's finally pissed off minorities and farmers, and business owners, now he's working on the military.

Now he's threatening to send the US military in against cities.

I think the only one delusional here is you. votes will tell eventually.

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[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 14 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

As always, Republicans lead the pack, with more Republicans supporting political violence than Democrats. The scary part is how much the Democrat statistics have gone up, and the fact they're getting close to the levels of support seen in Republicans

America is fucked up. I don't have a solution, just pointing out the sad state of affairs

[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 16 points 9 hours ago

Things always go to shit when the wealth divide gets too big. People and companies shouldnt be big enough to own the government. The last time this happened was the guilded age in the 20s which led to the crash. who knows where this one will lead.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 249 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It’s a horrific moment to see that people honestly believe that there’s no other alternative at this point than to resort to political violence.

I mean… is it? I think it’s pretty obvious in the context of the regime essentially giving itself carte blanch to perpetrate political violence on its desired scapegoats and opponents.

I’m frankly getting pretty fucking tired of people complaining about how this is a startling development and being shocked by what’s happening. They wrote a playbook back in 2019. They published it on the open internet. They said they would follow it. They are now following it. You are not allowed to be surprised by any of this.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 43 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

This country is BUILT on political violence. The revolutionary war. The civil war. Hundreds of thousands of people died in those conflicts. Only more recently have non-violent protests accomplished anything and that was only possible because of the more free atmosphere those wars established in this country. That freedom is now almost entirely gone. What choice do people have left?

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 19 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Don't forget the riots and strikes between 1900 and 1920 (or 30?).

Successful application of violence today is complicated by the sophistication of surveillance and the electronic, centralized distribution of money.

It's difficult to pull together a large enough coalition to be able to fight effectively because the process of finding those people is short circuited by early discovery.

Nonviolence is the only way until a large enough segment of the population is desperate enough to trigger action.

Before that happens, effective leaders must be found and a support network must be readied to go into action quickly to professionalize and unify it when it happens, but before that is used to manage nonviolent action..

[–] kozy138@slrpnk.net 15 points 11 hours ago

While I agree that non-violent is the way to go, I think we need to change our definition of "violence."

Property destruction should not be considered violent. Especially when precautions are specifically taken to ensure that no people were harmed during act of property destruction or sabotage.

On the other side of things, actions such as destroying wildlife habitat or polluting the air, water, and soil systems of the Earth should be considered "violence." It is violence towards all of humanity, and towards life itself.

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 35 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Violence is how we beat the Nazis the first time. If there's a cleaner option that's actually feasible, then yes please... but failing that, cutting the head off the snake is a pretty tried and true method. And if it grows back, cut that one off too - they'll get the message eventually.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago

Exactly. Ultimately these people don't actually believe in anything other than power. Their arguments are in bad faith. Any compromise is just a temporary weigh station as they prepare to push even harder.

How did compromising with the right work for abortion? Parental consent laws became onerous clinical regulations became bans on performing procedures became making getting an abortion legally murder. How did compromising on trans rights go? A few "reasonable concerns" about girl's sports became blanket bans on sports became bans on life-saving care for minors became restrictions on basic ID documents became attempts to criminalize the very existence of trans people. This isn't slippery slope conjecture; it's directly observed history.

The simple awful truth is that we have fundamentally incompatible visions of the world. They see The Handmaid's Tail as an ideal to aim for. They think the literal God of the universe wants them to create this nightmare. And with God at their backs, they can justify any evil to create their warped utopia. Any action can be justified. Any lie can be excused. Any suffering by any number of people now can be balanced against the perfect lives they imagine we'll all live once they force us all into their dream world. The worst thing about them, is that they actually think they're the good guys.

This is the fundamental problem. Their vision of an Earthly paradise is our vision of Hell on Earth. We have fundamentally different visions for the future. They cannot convince the majority of the population to willingly create their vision. So they have to resort to violence, disenfranchisement, propaganda, and fraud. (All justified for the greater good.) And ultimately we're going to have to use every tactic they use and more if we want to keep these monsters from turning our nation into Gilead.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 112 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (10 children)

We need a general strike. The country would be brought to its knees if deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would've had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.

If you aren't in a union, then please consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you'll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we finally manage to enact one (the UAW is planning one for May 1st 2028, but it could happen sooner)

And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn't listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above.

  • 🇦🇷 Argentina: FORA
  • 🇦🇺 Australia: ASF-IWA
  • 🇧🇷 Brazil: FOB
  • 🇧🇬 Bulgaria: ARS, CITUB
  • 🇩🇪 Germany: FAU
  • 🇬🇷 Greece: ESE
  • 🇮🇹 Italy: USI
  • 🇳🇱 🇧🇪 Netherlands & Belgium: Vriji Bond
  • 🇪🇸 Spain: CNT
  • 🇸🇪 Sweden: SAC
  • 🇬🇧 United Kingdom: UVW
[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Even if you are in a union, join the IWW as well. Most modern unions are insufficiently radical for what's coming, and all the best organizers I know are IWW dual-carders

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Agree 100%! For others reading, here's a good article on the merits of dual-carding.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 30 points 13 hours ago (16 children)

Can you afford not to get paid for 2 weeks? If so you're in the minority. Most people can't. Not to mention they have kids they are worried about, medical conditions that they can barely afford even with insurance. Rising housing and grocery costs. Etc..

I'm not trying to be a downer. I would love to see this happen, but we need a "realistic" way to accomplish it, to convince a majority to participate.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 47 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

Unions build up strike-funds with membership dues so that members can continue to receive a salary while striking, that's why unions are so essential for working class people to be able to flex their power non-violently.

Consider that Chile is a much less wealthy country than the US. but was able to successfully commit to a general strike for over a month.

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[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 16 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Wrong way of thinking, buddy boy.

If you can't afford to go without pay for 2 weeks now, then where do you think you'll be in 2 years time?

Act now while you're breathing, for the sake of being able to breathe.

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[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 38 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You can't vote your way out of fascism. Trump already launched an insurrection to hold on to power. He won't let it go now that he's better entrenched.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 8 hours ago

Its way worse now than when the weathermen were a thing.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 hours ago

It’s happening….

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I've not heard a single conservative say anything about "back" on anything. Not on track, not to old school values, not a fuckin thing.

I have heard them say it's time for a new America though. A lot lately in fact. Phrasing, ya know?

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