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[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

Look, you’re just describing America at any point in its history. You’re going to have to be more specific.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

They were recently forced to clarify against some hapless employee offensively saying an obvious humanist principle. "Never again means never again only for Jews."

This list feels like anti-fa to someone, and so should soon be corrected.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 35 points 22 hours ago

How DARE that museum target the Trump administration, in such a focused and deliberate manner?

[–] themaninblack@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

U.S. Holocaust Museum: “Never again”

U.S. Holocaust Museum: “Takie backsies”

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

These museums hold zero authority anymore.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 day ago (5 children)

In 2017, it was observed that Trump had ticked all but two boxes. Now that he's bent on controlling the media, it seems there's just 1 remaining. But there is still free media, so perhaps it's more like 1.5.

Some have commented that the elections are already fraudulent, but I remain skeptical of this. I'll admit that gerrymandering is a problem, but gerrymandering has always been a problem so it's not a bright-line for me. Still, I can't shake the idea that the main reason there hasn't been a fraudulent election under the 47th presidency so far is that there hasn't been an election at all yet.

Either way, you don't need every box checked to be alarmed.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

The US had ticked all those boxes back in 2002 at the very latest. It's well past "early warning signs" at this point.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Elections are cooked friend

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Some have commented that the elections are already fraudulent, but I remain skeptical of this.

A lot of things that other functioning democracies consider fraud or corruption are legal in the US. So elections aren't technically fraudulent, but neither are they free or fair.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

gerrymandering is illegal in a lot of places, but here we are.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I always find this weird because no matter how you draw the maps you're tipping the scales one way or the other.

I think the US system is broken more than most, but there isn't really a "pure" system.

[–] amorangi@lemmy.nz 8 points 1 day ago

Free media? Wtf? Larry Ellison's money just bought Paramount, Fox is owned by another billionaire. Colbert gets fired after strong arming by the president. I could go on, but a free media doesn't mean a media owned solely by billionaires in league with the administration.

As an outsider looking in at American media it's been horrifying for decades at the deluded propaganda rammed down the population's throat, and freely accepted.

[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

It's an interesting point you raise. The media has mutated since the list was written, now encompassing anyone with an opinion and an internet connection. Where in the past the media was more centralised and therefore more easy to control totally, now it's very difficult to eradicate dissent completely - the media has become more aligned to the masses than to the elites. So a different approach is needed to get to totalitarianism.
My take is that they're already applying pressure to the new media, and it might be the last thing to buckle. Perhaps left wing content creators will be criminalised soon (NSPM-7 could be the first step, or indeed the only step, in practice to this end) and then we only have to wait until the 2028 election to be able to shout "Bingo".

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

It's an interesting point you raise. The media has mutated since the list was written, now encompassing anyone with an opinion and an internet connection. Where in the past the media was more centralised and therefore more easy to control totally, now it's very difficult to eradicate dissent completely - the media has become more aligned to the masses than to the elites. So a different approach is needed to get to totalitarianism.

And that aporoach is widespread use of disinformation.

Another key point is the ongoing attack on the autonomy of societal institutions, like universities. Timothy Snyder has written about the importance of them in On Tyranny, and Trump behaves as if Snyder's book was an instruction manual.

There is a German Nazi term that is perhaps useful to describe what's happening, it is Gleichschaltung.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

One popular approach is alignment of businesses and government in creating an ecosystem that is the internet for most people, like everything-apps. Musk did claim to create a WeChat-alike from X but it didn't went far.

Weird acquisitions though are increasingly more alarming. First, Musk got Twitter as a whole company, and although we didn't initially know who co-paid for it, there weren't explicit commentary on what exactly Elon would do with it, you needed to read between the lines. Recent TikTok USA purchase by Ellison though not only helped by the government, it's publicly aknowledged that it would become a propaganda tool for MAGA to affect genZ and genA.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It seems to me like the media is about the same as it was in 2017, as even in 2017 anyone with an opinion and an internet connection could gain throngs of followers online. The difference I see is that major news organizations have shifted to be moderately more conservative (previously ~centrist organizations are now moderately trump-approving, and previously conservative organizations are now far right, previously democrat-favouring organizations are now hedging their bets). MAGA is pressuring or threatening to pressure social media organizations to shift toward more MAGA content, but I think we're not even at the inflection point for this yet.

[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

Fully agree, but I wrote my comment with the context that the original post was of an exhibit from at least decades ago, not in this presidency.

[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 102 points 1 day ago (1 children)

FYI, this was not in the museum but was briefly available at the gift shop. As evidenced by the price tag.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/holocaust-museum-warning-signs-fascism/

[–] petersr@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some capitalist move to warn about late-stage capitalism?

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

genocide survivors warning of the cause of their genocide who were rescued by other capitalists and then rescued again by liberal capitalists from the other authoritarian communists

not too bright are ya?

[–] petersr@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

Nah, IQ less than 8

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 71 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

You'd think so....

But they actually want this.

[–] circledot@feddit.org 28 points 1 day ago

A warning to some. An instruction to others.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah. I went to the Holocaust Museum with a Trump supporter. The cognitive dissonance was astounding.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I tick all the boxes! Beautiful boxes! Nobody ticks all the boxes like I do! Many people say so!

[–] Aganim@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

The BEST and LARGEST BOXES in the world. And I will make MEXICO PAY for the pen I use to tick them!

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

Least cool guide yet.

[–] Viiksisiippa@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago

That’s the U.S. in a nutshell.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

“That sign won’t stop me because I can’t read!”

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Just that fraudulent election left and I'm all in!

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not entirely convinced we're not already there. There's a county in NY that had 0 votes for Kamala. I just saw an article yesterday about some people getting absentee ballots that were prefilled.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe, but the outcome wasn't altered.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If the fraud claims are true how would you know? That's the danger of election fraud its not just about the outcome but creating uncertainty about the truth of the outcome.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

When it's very close it's difficult but usually statistics and polling shows very reliable numbers. So you'll know when bizarre things happen, also dictators seems to just have to get 85-95% lol

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] F_State@midwest.social 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Software experts consistently warn about how terrifying computer voting systems are and everyone else consistently ignores them.

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