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Rueben Antonio Cruz was sitting with a friend in Rogers Park when ICE agents pulled up onto the street.

The immigration officers stopped their truck and went straight after them on Oct. 9, Cruz told the Tribune.

“They asked us if we have papers. I said I do but I don’t have them on me,” Cruz, a 60-year old man with heart problems originally from El Salvador, recalled in Spanish.

The agents stood Cruz up, put him in their truck, drove around in circles, and asked questions, he said.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 21 points 2 hours ago

And if he had his papers, they would have said they were fake, confiscated them, and hassled him anyway:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/24/us-citizen-detained-ice-real-id

Gee, why is no one going to the US?

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 193 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (3 children)

Ahh I see we are officially transitioning into the "papers, please" stage of fascism already. Buckle up folks, the road only gets rougher from here on out. The witch hunts don't stop here.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 40 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Papers please American DLC when?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 30 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I think the IRL version just dropped

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 14 points 3 hours ago

Region locked on the US (for now :/)

[–] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

i see you’re not black, a minority, or visibly poor….
i’ve been fighting “papers please” for a while….
it’s definitely much worse now though

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I certainly might not be those things, or I might not be American either. Hard to say for sure, it's fun to speculate though isn't it?

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

No wait, don't answer that. How many questions do I get first?

[–] klammeraffe@lemmy.cafe 7 points 4 hours ago

Heh. Yes. Tbf, it was always a requirement.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 80 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

Under federal law, registered foreign nationals must carry proof of registration with them at all times. But prior to a second Trump administration, it was rarely enforced.

Apparently green-card holders have to carry their green cards around all the time. This law was so rarely enforced that I never knew about it despite having been a green-card holder myself.

[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 56 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The thing is, US Citzens don’t have to carry papers with them, so there is no way to enforce it without stomping all over the rights of citizens. We should all be outraged over the expectation of producing papers.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

This is what it’s really all about; everybody has rights, or no one does. There is no in between.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

My wife used to be a green card holder it was made clear to her when she got it that she needed to always carry it. Not defending the gestapo's actions, but the dude should not have left the card at home.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 hours ago

I was still a kid (under 18) when I had a green card so maybe I didn't get the official lecture for that reason, and then my parents didn't think it was important enough to tell me.

[–] Fit_Series_573@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago

I guess similar to jaywalking. Very few people ever get fined/charged with it even though it being a crime in most states in the US.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I saw that. Why hasn't that been changed under any administration? Is it something we need to address?

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 3 points 47 minutes ago

Doesnt that mean they can arrest everyone at the beach for nothing other than them not having their paperwork in the water with them. Throw them in the back of a truck and then if they so happened to be a green card fine them.

The whole thing seems sketchy.
"Why are you arresting/ticketing me?" "Because there is no way you have papers in that Speedo"

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think that having unenforced laws is in general a bad thing because then the government can use selective enforcement as a tool of oppression, so you won't find me objecting to a repeal. Maybe it'll happen if there's ever a major backlash against Trump's immigration policies.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 3 hours ago

I would like for it to be addressed, regardless of the administration.

I hope you and yours stay safe and healthy in every way, friend.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

republicans don't want to do it, and no one thought to include it as a rider on funding for israel, so democrats didn't do it.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

My friend got her green card about 20 years ago, and she said they made it very clear she needed to carry it at all times.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 10 minutes ago

Because no one forgets, ever. And even if they don't, what prevents a bad actor from stealing it?

All my youth, it was stressed to always carry my ID and social security card. Them it was "in two separate places," and then, "leave ss card home."

[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 19 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

They could have driven him to his house so he could retrieve those papers or have someone bring them out for him. Boom, crisis averted. It's not hard to not be a time-wasting asshole, but they seem to excel at it.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 9 points 4 hours ago

Sure. But this is a heck of a lot better than beating him up, arresting and deporting. Keep the pressure on them.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 29 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

I hope he gets rich from suing them.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 20 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It’s technically illegal to not carry your green card. But it’s also authoritarian as fuck to kidnap somebody because they didn’t have it on them.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago

And beeline to the poc.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago

He was technically required to have his papers on him and the Supreme Court made it legal to racially profile people… which is just sad but it does mean he has no recourse

[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I just wish it didn't come from our taxes. Should come from their pay and/or benefits.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Should come from their pay and/or benefits.

I agree.

However, I'm more than happy to contribute my share of taxes to this man's payout specifically because fuck ICE

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 hours ago

That's the most American rebuttal to this - too bad the Supreme Court is in Trump's pocket.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 4 hours ago

Supreme Court: 6/3 not signed its legal to ICE to fine citizens if they look brown.

[–] Corelli_III@midwest.social 21 points 4 hours ago

ICE = act on sight

run hide fight

[–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 hours ago

May I zee your papers please.

[–] JoshuaBrusque@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

Don't pay it

[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago

Maybe they let ya back out.. maybe ya end up like Emmett Till or James Byrd Jr

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 4 hours ago