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I mostly use apps installed from F-Droid, so I’m not sure how I’ll use the phone, except that it’s sometimes required as a contact method.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Continue using a custom ROM.

If more brands start locking down their devices I'll have a conundrum, and it'll start being about antique hunting. More apps requiring an "approved" OS would also do it, but geopolitics will stop that from going too far in the near future.

[–] Lyubo@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

DeGoogled Custom ROMs

[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Keep waiting for a Linux phone that actually works as a daily driver.

[–] DecentM@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 21 hours ago

At that point I'd rather use a half functioning Linux phone than a locked down one. Hopefully stuff like Framework and Fairphone will follow through on making parts available for real old devices.

[–] rosco385@lemmy.wtf 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've been using GrapheneOS for a while, which should minimise disruptions, but I'm also hoping the Linux phone ecosystem improves before Google locks down Android completely.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 2 points 1 day ago

Same. I have to imagine there are some devs out there who will start working on Linux ports of their apps.

[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't have to do anything. I use GrapheneOS btw.

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The problem for all these things is proprietary firmware.

[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

What problem? Firmware for my phone works fine.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 1 day ago

Already can't find a phone with the hardware I want. Might as well get an iphone since I won't be able to do half the shit I want to either way.

[–] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago

If it really interferes, same thing as when YouTube started enshittifying: use it less and likely be better off.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Cry, -as it would seem my carrier only supports Android & Apple phones and I am stuck with my carrier.

[–] oyzmo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] newaccountwhodis@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

It... works. barely. I tried it and kinda liked it but if you're looking for comfort custom ROMs are way better. (this was almost a decade ago so I don't know what it's like now)

[–] newaccountwhodis@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Will this effect distros like eos?

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I feel embarassed to say this as someone who is fairly techy, but I'm a little confused by the whole brouhaha.

Is Google making changes to Android, or to AOSP?

If Google is making changes to the Android fork they put on their own phones, then fuck 'em. Use Graphene. Use e/OS/, use Lineage...use something that forks their own branch of AOSP and Google can pound sand because those forks are in no way obligated to make the same changes as Google. AOSP is open source for that very reason.

If Google is making those changes to AOSP itself, which means that anyone who uses AOSP as a base have those changes by default, then isn't Google obligated to keep those changes as Open Source, in which case anyone else who uses AOSP can just remove them from their own fork?

Someone explain like I'm a particularly dim five-year-old, please.

[–] kixik@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

If you want to keep using google playstore and services, you no longer will be able to use f-droid, whether google or any aosp rom. grapheneOS claims it won't be affected given their sandboxed google play and services. Though I'm not sure if eventually google would come up with a counter measure or it won't ever care. They want to enforce that if anyone uses their proprietary stuff the apps interacting with it must be from register developers, which automatically exclude any libre/free app storage on which developers don't want to register to google. GrepheneOS being the exception.

If you use microG with any custom rom, I guess that might work through fake registrations, but can't be sure. But any custom rom without google play and services is supposed to be ok with f-droid. The thing is that google knows most if not all users need one app that depends on their stuff, perhaps bank apps, payment apps, and so on...

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

iirc they are enforcing this on the play services level, using the play protect system. so if you use a custom rom with google play, you are likely cooked too.

that is if the roms don't implement a system to circumvent it.

[–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've also been confused about this, but this is my take on it.

You're correct that they are making these changes to Android and not AOSP. This means that an OS like Graphene or e/OS/ will still be able to use sideloaded apps and other appstores like F-Droid.

I think the reason everyone is freaking out about this, is that it hurts appstores like F-Droid. It has a chilling effect on apps that are released to alternative app stores and may cause those stores to fail over time, thus killing FOSS apps at the point of distribution.

That said, this is also over my head technically, so I would love if someone more knowledgable could weigh in.

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[–] Malasaur@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Wilmo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Droidify is just a wrapper for f-droid and various repos.. it's affected in the same way

[–] Meowie_Gamer@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

I'll just keep using grapheneOS.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Get a pocket pc, probably. And only use the phone for what strictly requires it.

It'll likely end up being more comfortable from a usability standpoint than it is now anyway.

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

What are good pocket PCs running linux?

I had a Nokia N900 and now own a Gemini PDA running Sailfish and it is quite nice to have a programmable device wit a physical keyboard (it runs Python, Guile, and cross-compiled Rust CLI programs). A small PC running waydroid would be fantastic.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I was thinking of something like the Piccolo. But I admit I absolutely haven't researched that market. So I don't really know what's available.

[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Not many good options out there but will likely change as Google destroys android and creates a market space for these types of devices.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Build a time machine and go back in time to stop WebOS from being sold to HP.

[–] CCMan1701A@startrek.website 6 points 1 day ago

You mean convince more people to not buy android phones. Man we used to be able to run custom kernel code on the palm pre to try and get more performance out

[–] deathrattledregs@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 days ago

Staying on Graphene for the time being. AFAIK should be able to still install apps whatever way I see fit.

Graphene's team has stated that they are looking into OEM's to potentially work out a solution to make a suitable device to run GOS, since Google is locking things down.

If it really comes to it, (long term), I'll make the jump to a Linux mobile device, whether that's a phone or a custom solution.

Just because corpo's are making things difficult, doesn't mean I'm going to cave. I started this privacy journey 6 years ago and I'm not about to undo it because of greed and inconvenience.

[–] commit_aarson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I'm going full dumbphone with a flip phone and using single purpose devices like mp3 players for music and handhelds for gaming and emulation.

[–] SuperDuperKitten@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm currently using GrapheneOS on my Pixel phone I brought secondhand so think I should (for now) be okay?

Otherwise, Linux phone looks interesting but it just relearning both another OS (like iPhone users trying to learn Android and vice versa) and also just I have low income so buying new tech is just expensive.

I don't want to throw myself a deepend to an OS that I not as familiar with beside on my desktop and Raspberry Pi. Personally, I prefer to know what's there before I just go blind so at least I can manage my expectation than expected it to do 1:1 stuff that I do on my phone right now.

[–] rustyricotta@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well because of this, I bought a new phone and am now using GrapheneOS. I'm hoping to last at least 5 years with this, and hopefully by the time I want a new phone, grapheneos will have made a deal to have more compatible phones.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Isn't Graphene still Android? What's stopping Google from turfing AOSP so you won't be able to sideload to them either?

We need something completely independent from Android. Would be great if phone manufactures would make their pocket computers easier to interface like tradition PCs.

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[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 days ago (8 children)
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[–] 17lifers@sopuli.xyz 98 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (22 children)

install them with adb. its a crucial feature for developers, so they won't easily get rid of it.

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[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 35 points 2 days ago

I will switch to Android roms that don't have that defect, and continue to buy and tinker with Linux phones when I can afford it, until they become daily-drivable.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 days ago (6 children)
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[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Be fucked? I don't know I already hate most phones on the market and I'm going to need to buy a new one at some point, not looking forward to it...

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