Cry, -as it would seem my carrier only supports Android & Apple phones and I am stuck with my carrier.
this post was submitted on 13 Oct 2025
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Will this effect distros like eos?
Continue using a custom ROM.
If more brands start locking down their devices I'll have a conundrum, and it'll start being about antique hunting. More apps requiring an "approved" OS would also do it, but geopolitics will stop that from going too far in the near future.
Already can't find a phone with the hardware I want. Might as well get an iphone since I won't be able to do half the shit I want to either way.
DeGoogled Custom ROMs
I'm going full dumbphone with a flip phone and using single purpose devices like mp3 players for music and handhelds for gaming and emulation.
Keep waiting for a Linux phone that actually works as a daily driver.
I don't have to do anything. I use GrapheneOS btw.
The problem for all these things is proprietary firmware.
What problem? Firmware for my phone works fine.
Use Droidify with Shizuku
Droidify is just a wrapper for f-droid and various repos.. it's affected in the same way
Is SailfishOS good?
It... works. barely. I tried it and kinda liked it but if you're looking for comfort custom ROMs are way better. (this was almost a decade ago so I don't know what it's like now)
Get a pocket pc, probably. And only use the phone for what strictly requires it.
It'll likely end up being more comfortable from a usability standpoint than it is now anyway.
What are good pocket PCs running linux?
I had a Nokia N900 and now own a Gemini PDA running Sailfish and it is quite nice to have a programmable device wit a physical keyboard (it runs Python, Guile, and cross-compiled Rust CLI programs). A small PC running waydroid would be fantastic.
I was thinking of something like the Piccolo. But I admit I absolutely haven't researched that market. So I don't really know what's available.
Not many good options out there but will likely change as Google destroys android and creates a market space for these types of devices.
I've been using GrapheneOS for a while, which should minimise disruptions, but I'm also hoping the Linux phone ecosystem improves before Google locks down Android completely.
Same. I have to imagine there are some devs out there who will start working on Linux ports of their apps.
If it really interferes, same thing as when YouTube started enshittifying: use it less and likely be better off.
You can install with ADB, at least with droid-ify you can install apps with shizuku
Well because of this, I bought a new phone and am now using GrapheneOS. I'm hoping to last at least 5 years with this, and hopefully by the time I want a new phone, grapheneos will have made a deal to have more compatible phones.
Isn't Graphene still Android? What's stopping Google from turfing AOSP so you won't be able to sideload to them either?
We need something completely independent from Android. Would be great if phone manufactures would make their pocket computers easier to interface like tradition PCs.
I think (thought i am not sure) that this thing will be made with google services so just removing them should do, if not, you can just fork and modify
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Build a time machine and go back in time to stop WebOS from being sold to HP.
You mean convince more people to not buy android phones. Man we used to be able to run custom kernel code on the palm pre to try and get more performance out
I'll just keep using grapheneOS.
I'm still rocking Android 8/10/11, will continue to do so until I can't run a proper web browser.
I feel embarassed to say this as someone who is fairly techy, but I'm a little confused by the whole brouhaha.
Is Google making changes to Android, or to AOSP?
If Google is making changes to the Android fork they put on their own phones, then fuck 'em. Use Graphene. Use e/OS/, use Lineage...use something that forks their own branch of AOSP and Google can pound sand because those forks are in no way obligated to make the same changes as Google. AOSP is open source for that very reason.
If Google is making those changes to AOSP itself, which means that anyone who uses AOSP as a base have those changes by default, then isn't Google obligated to keep those changes as Open Source, in which case anyone else who uses AOSP can just remove them from their own fork?
Someone explain like I'm a particularly dim five-year-old, please.
If you want to keep using google playstore and services, you no longer will be able to use f-droid, whether google or any aosp rom. grapheneOS claims it won't be affected given their sandboxed google play and services. Though I'm not sure if eventually google would come up with a counter measure or it won't ever care. They want to enforce that if anyone uses their proprietary stuff the apps interacting with it must be from register developers, which automatically exclude any libre/free app storage on which developers don't want to register to google. GrepheneOS being the exception.
If you use microG with any custom rom, I guess that might work through fake registrations, but can't be sure. But any custom rom without google play and services is supposed to be ok with f-droid. The thing is that google knows most if not all users need one app that depends on their stuff, perhaps bank apps, payment apps, and so on...
iirc they are enforcing this on the play services level, using the play protect system. so if you use a custom rom with google play, you are likely cooked too.
that is if the roms don't implement a system to circumvent it.
I've also been confused about this, but this is my take on it.
You're correct that they are making these changes to Android and not AOSP. This means that an OS like Graphene or e/OS/ will still be able to use sideloaded apps and other appstores like F-Droid.
I think the reason everyone is freaking out about this, is that it hurts appstores like F-Droid. It has a chilling effect on apps that are released to alternative app stores and may cause those stores to fail over time, thus killing FOSS apps at the point of distribution.
That said, this is also over my head technically, so I would love if someone more knowledgable could weigh in.
Yes, this is an important point overlooked by the 'But I have root' crowd.
Also: https://f-droid.org/en/2025/09/29/google-developer-registration-decree.html
I'm currently using GrapheneOS on my Pixel phone I brought secondhand so think I should (for now) be okay?
Otherwise, Linux phone looks interesting but it just relearning both another OS (like iPhone users trying to learn Android and vice versa) and also just I have low income so buying new tech is just expensive.
I don't want to throw myself a deepend to an OS that I not as familiar with beside on my desktop and Raspberry Pi. Personally, I prefer to know what's there before I just go blind so at least I can manage my expectation than expected it to do 1:1 stuff that I do on my phone right now.
OniroOS hopefully will be out by then. If not then PostMarketOS. Harmony OS is rumoured to be launching globally in 2026 but I doubt.
Be fucked? I don't know I already hate most phones on the market and I'm going to need to buy a new one at some point, not looking forward to it...
Staying on Graphene for the time being. AFAIK should be able to still install apps whatever way I see fit.
Graphene's team has stated that they are looking into OEM's to potentially work out a solution to make a suitable device to run GOS, since Google is locking things down.
If it really comes to it, (long term), I'll make the jump to a Linux mobile device, whether that's a phone or a custom solution.
Just because corpo's are making things difficult, doesn't mean I'm going to cave. I started this privacy journey 6 years ago and I'm not about to undo it because of greed and inconvenience.
4/5g card in mPCIE slot until I source a more portable device to do phone things. Yes, there are m.2 options as well. If the supply chain eventually dries up, for expansion cards and/or FOSS phones, then I'll only communicate via my ISP or local mesh nets, until my computers break.
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