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cross-posted from: https://ibbit.at/post/81808

...the agents had demanded to ride along in the ambulance en route to the hospital. The driver replied that without arrest paperwork, they were not permitted to ride along. Agents continued to insist that the vehicle would not be allowed to leave until an officer was permitted to accompany them.

“I repeated again,” the driver said in their report, “that no officer is permitted to ride in the ambulance and that they can meet us at the hospital and that we needed to be let out of the facility. Officers then began walking away from me whenever I spoke. At that point, a group of 5-8 civilian-dressed men walked into the garage and just stared at me. No identification on any of them. I walked back to the ambulance and got into the driver’s seat. I flipped the emergency lights on and put the car into drive. I inched forward slowly out of the garage.”

A man described as being in civilian clothes and a neck-wrap then stepped in front of the vehicle and ordered the ambulance not to leave, according to the report. As more agents amassed about 15 feet in front of the vehicle, the driver assumed they were preparing to escort the ambulance off the property and continued to slowly inch the vehicle forward. But agents continued to obstruct the ambulance’s path. As of 9:39, a dispatch report said there were “50-60 fed agents completely blocking the road.”

At this point, the crew member in the passenger’s seat exited the vehicle to attempt to reason with the officers. After putting the vehicle into park, the driver began to exit as well. They said that as they opened the side door, “I looked up and suddenly the entire group of officers… were crowded around the open car door, some of them leaning forward towards me, inches from my face.”

The driver recalls that an agent “pointed his finger at me in a threatening manner and began viciously yelling in my face, stating, ‘DON’T YOU EVER DO THAT AGAIN, I WILL SHOOT YOU, I WILL ARREST YOU RIGHT NOW.”

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 32 points 2 days ago

If you are interfering with someone getting medical assistance, you are the bad guy. Outside of situations where someone is rejecting medical assistance for themselves, I can't think of any exceptions to this.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

As I mentioned on Bluesky: This is not just evil, but also dumb. Medics will not treat ICE personnel if they are endangered by just doing their job. The point of the social contract is that everyone works together to ensure that all people get to live a decent life. Abusing the doctors is a good way to be removed from the census, because they have better people to spend their efforts on.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago

The notion of a social contract is a little beyond these dumb fascists.

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[–] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don’t think many people realize a lot of medics are young, like this is their first job, and they’re still pretty much kids. Yes they do amazing work, yes I and many others are tremendously grateful, but trying to simply help someone medically and doing the cops job is a ridiculous notion.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago

they also dont get paid much in terms of hourly wage too.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This sounds a lot like Israeli soldiers in Palestine. It's slightly surprising to see ICE agents become the force of evil, knowing that they will make themselves and their families targets. At least the Israeli military can run back behind its walls when it's off shift ... that's not how the U.S. pigs live.

[–] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago

That's why they wear masks like the cowards they are

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 8 points 2 days ago

Yeah. I don't want a civil war because I don't want to live in a mix of allies and enemies with no clear front line. I bet ICE doesn't want that either. Hence the masks, and deploying troops from one state to another. One of the oldest warlord tricks in the book.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Theres that Israeli training american "law enforcement" officers are so famous for taking. Along with their fame for not being required to understand the law at all and US law enforcement not hiring anyone with too high of an IQ.

The most surprising thing about US cops is how many tv shows there are that make them look like hard working, intelligent heros who just care about the community and have a deep sense of honor. Frickin joke.

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[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 157 points 4 days ago (10 children)

This shit is just a powder keg waiting to go off. All it's going to take is one person to decide they've had enough of this in a situation like this and just floor it and run those assholes over and the whole country is going to explode. It's just a matter of time.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 13 points 2 days ago

Meanwhile it is a regular occurrence for right-wing dipshits to run their trucks through crowds of protestors and get away with little to no consequences. They end up being classified as "road-rage" incidents rather than the politically motivated acts of terrorism that they are.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 113 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Exactly as Stephen Miller planned.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 82 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Yeah, I'm convinced they are actively trying to get some ICE killed so they can take the kid gloves off and go full occupying force.

[–] FranklyIGiveADarn@lemmy.ml 72 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

If people never actually resist them, they already are the full occupying force.

“We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”

-Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 25 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's not a popular take in doomer circles like lemmy, but I legitimately believe that there is a "bloodless" outcome that results in the right absolutely crumbling. Not only that, I believe anything less will inevitably result in this exact situation repeating itself every hundred years or so until we learn as a people how to build a sustainable, equitable society that prioritizes human dignity over greed.

We need to learn as a society how to identify and reject fascist ideologies the same way we can look at moldy food and know not to eat it. And I think the Internet may be the tool that gets us to that point.

Until we get to that point, all democracies will continue to fall victim to these types of attacks.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I legitimately believe that there is a “bloodless” outcome that results in the right absolutely crumbling.

How do you see this coming to pass?

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I mean, for one I would argue that there's already a lot of blood on Trump's hands, and will be more if their budget plan passes, so the original quote is already moot IMO.

But as far as placing blame on the left, I think any sufficiently motivated population will outright reject the version of America that the right wants to build, and part of that build creates that motivation. The vast majority of Americans don't want to be told what religion to follow, what books they can read in school, what words they're allowed to say; regardless of politics, rebellion is part of American culture. I mean to say, I don't think the "left" will be instigating anything, it will be the people generally demanding change out of necessity. If trump holds all the levers, then it's just a matter of time before most people expect him to use them effectively. The more he "peacefully" extracts wealth to his oligarchs, and rolls out military rule, the deeper he's digging his own...hole.

I don't believe we reach a future of "hypernormalization" like in Russia. Our American myths are too filled with rebels for us to accept that.

But we've now seen both Nepal and Madagascar protest the govt completely out of office, in both cases supported by their own military, with minimal casualties. Of course in each case you now need to solve the power vacuum problem, which could go many different ways, especially if other world powers start getting involved, which is an exponentially harder challenge for the US.

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[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

We need a society in which people are not able to obtain the kind of power that can allow for fascism to exist to begin with.

We need a hard wealth cap of something like $50 million including unrealized gains, and we need a leaderless society, where people who seek power cannot gain power. We also need all corporations to be owned by the workers and be run as democracies.

But we also need to lift up the common man by supplying all basic necessities free at the point of service, such as housing, food, water, healthcare, sewage, high speed internet, etc. along with a UBI that is livable so that people can work on the things they enjoy rather than wasting their entire lives away working for a faceless corporation for the majority of their lives.

Anything short of this will just lead right back into fascism as history has shown.

I would like to know what your idea is to get out of fascism without any kind of violence, though, because with fascism, there is no democracy available to allow for a vote to replace the fascists. Fascists are not known for willingly giving up power.

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[–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 27 points 4 days ago

This fucking Nazi needs to go meet Kirk in hell.

[–] paddythegeek@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is 100% the plan. It’s a ‘when’ at this point, not an ‘if’, despite the extraordinary restraint displayed when dealing with these fuckwits to date.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 7 points 3 days ago

If it's not one thing it'll be another. Trump and his handlers are not going to let go of the reins now that they have them.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Yeah I can't believe so many are fighting Trump by not fighting in this way. Genuinely impressed with my countrymen.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yep, meanwhile on Lemmy we have people who don't seem to understand what's going on posting shit like "You all need to fight back! I thought you had guns to protect against situations like this!" The restraint people are showing by not doing that is frankly unbelievable.

[–] pahlimur@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Portland is the wrong place if they want violence. Just like the BLM protests, portlandians will mostly stand around and get shot at while dressed in ridiculous ways. Its probably the stupidest location to try and do a fascism.

[–] aphonefriend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you check the post history of most people calling for violence, they all seem to have something in common.

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[–] PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Time for hundreds of gun owners to show up at these protests.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

They never show up for anything, except to strut around playing billy badass. They are completely useless LARPers

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago

thats why ice is soley targeting blue areas rather than red ones. they dont want to anger the republicans.

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 67 points 3 days ago (3 children)

ICE is a terrorist organization ran by a criminal.

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[–] Meeshall65@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

They act just like the Gestapo during naziregime: use exessive force, followvtheir hunches and will not be held accountable

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 53 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Are we still pretending our Trump supporting neighbors aren't cheering this on?

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[–] madjo@feddit.nl 16 points 3 days ago

IDF practices...

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 37 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The national shitbag registry needs to be kept by whatever unions manage EMTs . These officers need to identify themselves just so their names are placed on the list and their captain can begin negotiating so that their families and home EVER get protection from fire, ambulance or cops again.

Until then, NO identified ICE member or their family gets support. Identify yourselves to distinguish yourselves or all face the same penalty. This is a targeted labour strike.

(Similarly, anyone impeding a real emergency vehicles gets on the list until a formal written apology replaces it in the file)

You do not impede real emergency vehicles just because you need to beat up and kidnap brown people.

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[–] squozenode@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I don't get the logic of slowing down with people in the way. You're in a heavy ambulance, they'll move.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 days ago

You're in an ambulance, it's your job to pick up the pieces. WTF are you on.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago

Well, if you go faster than they can move, you maim or kill them. Slowing down and keeping moving is how you get them to move. And although ICE may deserve what they get, an ambulance driver is probably not into hurting people with the ambulance.

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