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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 146 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

I think about this guy and also Admiral "There Are So Many Uncharted Settlements" Ozzelfrom Empire sometimes.

My pet theory is that, from their perspective, Vader is primarily a gigantic pain in the ass. He has no official rank; he's just the Emperor's buddy. But he's constantly commandeering Imperial resources, up to and including entire fleets, diverting them away from carefully coordinated military planning, because he has "a feeling" that some survivor of Order 66 is hiding out on some backwater.

So then the entire damn fleet needs to go on a side quest, possibly destabilizing some other part of the galaxy where they're supposed to be part of a blockade ordered by the Admiralty, and Vader goes down with a platoon of expensive troops and equipment, and maybe even a bunch of them get killed or lost, and Vader flies back up to the Star Destroyer and announces "mission accomplished," because he managed to kill one guy that no one has even heard of.

So now the fleet is out of position, the Admiral is probably all pissed off because his orders got overridden, and you better believe that neither Vader nor the Emperor is going to hand out any medals for any of this. And God forbid Vader doesn't find the guy he's looking for! If that happens, he's even more pissed off than usual, and liable to cause even more property and personnel damage when he gets back to the ship. You're trying to run a fleet and subjugate a galaxy, and the Emperor and his Best Buddy with no discernible military experience whatsoever are constantly screwing it up with their weird personal vendettas.

So it's no wonder that the serious-minded military types are totally fed up with them, and maybe this guy figured that now that they can blow up planets they won't have to tolerate any more of Vader's bullshit.

[–] burgermeister@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 days ago (4 children)

No discernible military experience, wasn't he a general in the clone wars? Ah but they wouldn't know that

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

Sure, he has combat experience, but he knows nothing about occupation and running a military empire. Can you imagine Vader doing the paperwork it takes to maintain supply lines?

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[–] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Ohhh god vader is musk.

Dont tell him i said that, he will take it as a compliment

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I was thinking Vader is Hegseth.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Don't be ridiculous. Vader has no idea who Musk is, let alone care.

musky. how often do you think he cleans that suit

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ummm, Anakin Skywalker was highly regarded as a military strategist throughout the clone wars. Non conventional maybe, but highly effective

[–] lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But no one is supposed to know that Vader is Skywalker, so that reputational credit doesn't transfer

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vader is known for singlehandedly taking on armies though, which even Anakin never did.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

Martial prowess and military high command are two different disciplines.

The latter requires skill in coordinating multiple operations running in tandem to support each other in achieving some strategic objective, dealing with the inevitable friction of things not going to plan, balancing momentum with logistical limitations while trying to cover your own vulnerabilities and extrapolating enemy movements from incomplete intelligence.

The former just requires superhuman strength, reflexes and precision aided by preternatural awareness and literally breathtaking telekinetic powers. Well, "just" makes it sound like it's trivial, so don't get me wrong: Vader is powerful and dangerous and will rightly have a reputation for his lethality. But those skills don't transfer to what an admiral would be expected to bring to the table.

From their position, he'll be a tactical weapon, a murder machine to tear a gaping hole into the enemy ranks and an even bigger one into their morale, spearheading assaults with devastating effect...

...but please stay out of their business.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Just change a few words in there and you basically described Trump's first 90 days in office. Vader is Elon.

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Bruh what a parallel. Narcissistic and vindictive strongmen are similar to eachother.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's not like there's a shortage of historical persons to model your villains on.

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Might be right in general, but Ozzel did screw up. The Rebels at Hoth had little time to evacuate after running into the probe droid. The Empire could have easily camped the hyperspace exit from a distance and picked them all off. Ozzel chose to come in too close, and that made them vulnerable to the ground ion canon.

The whole rebellion should have died that day. Vader knows plenty enough about planetary sieges to figure this out.

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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's still the height of stupidity to tell the evil wizard cyborg boss such stuff to their face, when they have the legal right to immediately kill you (as well as ability, from the cyborg parts if biting else).

Then again, he was probably brown-nosing for Tarkin, taking a gamble that he'd live and earn points with him... which actually ended up happening so I guess I have to retract my earlier statement about stupidity when it worked out so well for him.

It was still quite a risky move.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A tactical gambit, essentially? I never thought of it that way, but it makes sense

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

I am learning lately how such things do not even have to rise to the level of consciousness in order to occur. Someone can be quite gifted in such skills without ever having thought them through logically.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago

Bronson’s got to pay!

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Behold! The power of storytelling and imagination when not every single detail is explicated upon and shoved in the audience's face!

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[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 46 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Especially when he was clearly alive while that religion and its teachings were still actively being demonstrated to be true every day and its adherents were shaping the galaxy.

EDIT: ITT people defending their space wizard fairy tales with Doylian arguments.

[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So not a G, but just stupid.

[–] TaterTot@piefed.social 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sometimes the |ine between G-ness and stupidity is very thin.

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Maiq@piefed.social 10 points 3 days ago

A G's vibe is different than that of a square.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 20 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Did he know the emperor was a Sith who had powers, or was he just one of billions or trillions of people who had never actually interacted with anyone who openly used the force?

Sure, later movies made force use way more commonly used within a couple decades of this guy's bold choice, but at the time of the movie's release it was supposed to be an uncommon thing that hadn't even been around for a very long time.

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

it was supposed to be an uncommon thing that hadn’t even been around for a very long time.

The Jedi had been around for over 25,000 years before A New Hope. There had to be volumes of evidence for Jedi powers by the time of that film.

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-jedi-order-origin-timeline-canon/

The guy in the meme and Han Solo were just Straw Atheists I'm afraid.

Edit: "For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic, before the dark times. Before the Empire." -Obi Wan in ANH

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[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, Han Solo did the same. I don't think that Lucas thought that it would really be much more than the three movies, and evidently didn't come up with much lore or backstory. I don't think they ever touched on what happened to Darth Vader and Sidious that put them into power (it's been a few years since I've seen them, could be wrong). Closest thing we got was a mention of the Clone Wars, with about no description of it.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Lucas didn't even plan for Vader to be Luke's father at the start. Leigh Brackett, the main scriptwriter for ESB, never even knew that (she died of cancer when the script was in the final stages). That's why there's this awkward "certain point of view" discussion with Obi-wan in RotJ to explain away the cave conversation in the first movie; Lucas didn't plan that from the beginning, and he had to patch over a plot hole.

He very much made it up as he went.

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[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 1 day ago

I understand that it was to show us Vader's behaviour, but I agree that in hindsight he looks very stupid, or at least born yesterday.

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[–] waterore@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In the book "from a certain point of view" Admiral Motti complains about Vader chocking him to the empire's HR department!

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 15 points 3 days ago (3 children)

And do they do anything about it? Or is a certain amount of chokage to be expected as an occupational hazard on an Empire vessel?

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 days ago

Imagine the PR flunky trying to writeup Darth Vader, along with signing a form promising not to do it again.

Did they draw straws? Get the intern to do it?

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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"This could have been an email."

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