Could you guys stop dumping your trash in the forest please? It obstructs my garbage trucks which I send to the forest to dump garbage in.
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Everything converges to generic sameness
When I hit this sentence in the OP, I realized AI is going to remain very popular with the average joe for a long time.
People who are tech literate, actively curious about the natural world, and do crazy shit like care about humanity (so most people reading this, most likely) will still reject it for the junk it is. But it seems the vast majority of people around me are not like Lemmy users. I mean, they are called normies for a reason, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way.
Generic sameness seems to be what the rat race pushes people towards. Maybe being burned out and having the economy constantly innovating new ways to bleed you dry makes the pre-packaged commoditized comforts from the advertisements too easy to accept. I look around and I see people anger-driving their pickup trucks and luxury SUVs to their jobs that they hate so that they can afford the cars they drive to get there. Plus they need to be able to afford beer and snacks for the game after they fill up those gas tanks!
These people don't care if the stories and tiktoks scrolling past their glazed-over eyes are AI generated. It only matters if those things can shake that stubborn drop of dopamine loose that just won't fall from the faucet. Just get through the day so we can do it again tomorrow.
The problem is that the resource they consume to feed the AI, (human generated content) has become a limited resource, completely mined.
they could pay people to write, IE, news agencies pay writers to write and AI site are one of their clients.
you should get DMs from anthropic offering 50$ for your weeks posts and comments...
Instead they want to pretend they have still room to grow for free. but they can't
(That is just basic economic theory, I want those companies to fuck off already)
How is it a crisis? I'm expecting/hoping LLMs will just get increasingly worse as they are fed on their own slop, until they collapse into unusability and the world finally returns to sanity.
The crisis is that if the internet is bad enough that they can't train LLMs on it, it's also useless for us human. And if the LLMs leave because there is no information and we come back, eventually we will generate enough content that it will be worth it again
Eventually is doing some heavy lifting. The costs of these data centers and the power plants to run them has to come from somewhere.
I don't know if or when the chickens come home to roost, but it could go badly for the US and China to find out their spent trillions to make a million versions of AI shrimp Jesus.
I want to believe that the silver lining is that HOPEFULLY MAYBE (Now these words are doing the heavy lifting. For sure)this will mean that when the ai craze goes away they will have spent so much on infrastructure that we will great cheap energy, cloud computing, and GPUs.
That's possible, very optimistic, but hey, good luck to us.
This is said as though it isn't an immensely expensive endeavour to run these things and the only reason they're this prevalent right now is the overspeculation and starved growth of US tech companies.
I don't get the point you are trying to make. I never said any of that. my point is that the information crisis caused by LLMs that they are referring to, affects everyone. Nothing else. Not hidden meanings
Your original comment sparks fear that failure of LLMs as a mass producer of knowledge would only be temporary until humans repopulated the internet with quality content.
Why would they come back after they fail if it costs billions of dollars to run them in the first place? You literally just agreed with someone else making the same point. Jfc.
I don't have time to write (and filter out) my opinions right now, but basically I think LLMs will find their place and will settle into a duopoly or tripoloy
I didn't ask for them.
You really did. But whatever.
Jesus christ dude, my question was rhetorical to encourage you to consider the practicality of something you clearly had not thought much about. Get the fuck over yourself.
The crisis is that companies will have to pay fair prices for human labor again, which will lead to less profits for the precious shareholders
Not just precious shareholders, it's a massive bubble that will impact the economy and peoples retirement when it bursts. They keep dumping more money into AI even though there are no returns.
I can not prove it but i think that already since a long time that most articles are copy + pasted and some kind of summary. Which might have happend automatically. Like someonr might write a real article on anything and then hundreds of sites copied it, without adding anything
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So at this point we're gonna have to go back to reading books...
Books made before 2019. Amazon is absolutely filled with AI generated books nowadays.
In fact, this whole "consume media only from 2010 and earlier" idea is getting more appealing by the day. I'd rather watch an anime from the 80's where each frame was drawn by a human hand and somebody spent a week encoding it to extract all the details from the original analogue source, and the subtitles were made by a person who considered each nuance carefully as if their life depended on it, rather than watch a 2025 sequel to a prequel to a reboot of an existing IP where half the assets are AI, the subtitles are AI, the script is AI, and it's just the most generic mass appealing thing ever made.
The 80s and 90s have some of my favorite anime, movies, and tv shows anyway. I can't really think of any recent masterpeices aside from Interstellar and The Martian.
It's pretty sad, creepy and hopeless, but this is exactly how I have been feeling lately with YouTube videos. If it's made post GPT, I am not inclined to watch it unless it's a channel I know has a stated anti-AI position, because at least then I know I'm getting human input. They are building up Plato's cave around us stone by stone, we can't even move out of the way, we are getting imprisoned, and the few of us who see it happening and shout are being drowned out by the noise of the billions around us who happily hum along.
The system itself needs to come down, with violence, or we won't make it, none of us, and honestly even if it does, I am not sure we are going to survive. I feel like I'm playing the fiddle on the Titanic.
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Well, technically, the AI companies aren't making any profits so the actual cost is higher, and also the revenues from the AI articles are declining because people aren't interracting with them.
There's no way an AI generated article costs less than a cent.
So humans writing articles cost more than the billions they're pumping in to AI? I very much doubt it.
On top of this, the scrapers that feed the AIs are creating more and more traffic, and therefor load on sites that did not have them before.
Except they know this and the vast majority don't train ai with ai data.
Where do you guys get this stuff from?
I'm old enought to remember when people were freaking out the exact same way when the internet came out. History repeats itself I guess.
https://surrealevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Internet-6-1024x694.png
The march of progress stops for nobody, yall are gonna be like boomers who still can't use a computer.
Time to start working on the Blackwall
In part, this is what Microsoft Recall is about: scraping end users' data at will to sort and feed to its LLMs, without the user ever seeing what is being scraped or having any real, lasting ability to shut Recall off and keep it shut down.
While I am aware that MS insists none of that is true, it is fact that 1) the snapshotted and OCR'd Recall data is now stored in an encrypted database that takes higher than average user skill to get into; 2) even users who turned off Recall saw it turned on again at the next Windows Update; and 3) even after MS said they were backing off Recall, MS continued to partner with hardware makers to create computers bundled with Windows 11 on top of the extra GPU necessary for processing all these Recall snapshots without making that sluggish Windows bloat even more sluggishly bloated than it already was.
So why all that money and effort, even as they claimed to be backing away from it, just to help a hypothetically forgetful user here and there? Data harvesting was always part of the payoff, why they were and are very willing to piss off a huge part of their own consumer base around the world by ending Windows 10 unnecessarily, and why even now they keep ramming Recall shit down the pipe when literally NO ONE wants it.
They get your data. At will. And as much of it as they like, without you ever having the opportunity to oversee what they're getting, much less curate it. And after feeding it to their LLMs, they get to aggregate and broker it to their "partners" as well. Never forget what MS did in Palestine and the partners they can and will gladly work with, all based on massive collections of quietly gathered user data that either should not legally exist, or is not known outside of MS and its partners to exist at all.
In part, this is what Microsoft Recall is about: scraping end users’ data at will to sort and feed to its LLMs
That's also what Google has always done. Want a large data set of emails? Look at our new free service, Gmail! Need a lot of images to train machine learning vision models? Check out our newest free backup tool, Google Photos! and so on. When they want one particular data type, they launch a free service that just so happens to collect this exact data type from millions of users.
You know Microsoft isn't about the user experience the moment they removed free games from their distro
Calling Windows a distro, while technically true, feels offensive
I'm still baffled about the expected outcome of replacing all content creation with AI for new events or ideas, like news articles.
If there are no humans to write the story first, where are the bots going to get the new information to plagiarize?
The expected outcome is internet collapse. The internet is a mass communication tool that allows bothersome peasants to organize and educate themselves if they are inclined to do so. Which means it must be destroyed.
The poor, disenfranchised, and uneducated are significantly easier to manipulate. So the goal of the 1% is to break society, eliminate the ability to educate, eliminate the ability to organize, and the use their near total control over mass media to assure everyone that they are better off under the thumb of the technocratic state.
Apart from being hit with what seemed like random ban hammers, that was one of the reasons I left Reddit.
It just seems so “the same”. Every comment chain is filled with the same predictable comments and they’re all predictably commenting on the same predictable content.
I hear lots of Lemmy newbies saying they stay on Reddit because of the user base in their niche communities. I hope those same people post or comment here a little bit in their niche instances before buggering off back to the black hole of bots.
I love that I can spot individual users again without tagging them.
I love the guy who uses that ye olde symbol instead of typing the letters “th”
This place is awesome because of the limited user base IMO. Very rarely have I been met with negativity here.
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The internet I loved died like 15 years ago anyway. It got replaced by ads and misinformation bots and hatred.
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I love love love model collapse. It's the absolute perfect conclusion to our Internet and this AI bubble.
The make AI. They realize that we're not ready for it. But short term profits overlook any and all ethical concerns. So they business bro and release anyway, unleashing a flood of slop and garbage content. All of which is impossible to tell if it is human made or not. But the only way to make their business continue is to train new models, which needs more human created content, of which they already destroyed and made imperceivable from their slop.
It's honestly just pure poetic justice. The ones who are hiring the next generation of AI models are AI companies.
Explains why my personal blog, wiki, and git repo keep getting hammered by hordes of AI company scrapers. If AI was intelligent, they'd download a single snapshot every month or so and share. But no, eight different scrapers using thousands of different IP addresses (to evade my fail2ban measures) each have to follow every single blame and diff link when a simple git clone operation would get them the hundreds of megabytes of content in one go.
They are getting better, though. More hits are to RecentChanges on my wiki, so there seem to be some optimizations going on. But I refuse to increase my operating costs beyond a few USD/month to serve AI bots when I know barely anyone human visits.
The open internet will become divided into verified websites, and the rest will be left for bots to fight on forever.
It will be used as an excuse by our governments to force a ID verification system tied to your real life person, refuse it and fight it in every possible way.
Who verifies the verification though?
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