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New school bus route is a 'disaster,' Kentucky superintendent admits. Last kids got home at 10 pm (www.fox2detroit.com)
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[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago

Even after increasing pay

Hmm, so what did they increase it to? Oh look only $20.65/hour., and I've heard of some school districts only paying during the driving meaning you show up for work early AM to pick up your bus as a driver and start being paid. You pick up and drop off kids for your routes. Now its maybe 9am. No more pay for you until you go back to the school and pick kids up again to take them home at maybe 2pm. I don't know if this district does this, BTW.

$20.65/hour is way WAY too low for a job with lots of unpaid hours in the middle of the shift, and having to be responsible and deal with kids that can't behave enough on a school bus.

[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Unless the bus company let me drive somewhere else since I’m not being paid then I’d be filing wage complaints with the state department of labor…

[-] RavenFellBlade@startrek.website 43 points 1 year ago

From experience, there is nothing preventing you from leaving, except that anything you do has to be close enough to the bus lot and meticulously scheduled to allow for you to drive from the bus lot to where you need to be and back while also allowing any prep time, especially if you need to pretrip your bus.

In other words, in theory, you can do whatever you want. In practice, you're straight up tethered to that lot. I worked out my actual pay last year. I made $22/hrs working for a major national transportation service. My average paid time was about 6.5 hours. My layover time was two separate segments. I had 2.5 hours of driving in the AM, about 1.5 in the late AM, and another 2.5 in the PM. These were separate by 2 hours, and then 2.5 hours. So, the reality of this schedule meant that I couldn't do much of anything on my downtime. I was obligated to 11 hours, only 6.5 of which I was paid. So, the reality was that I was making $13/hr. That math convinced me not to return this year. That, and my shit benefits caused me to get a $1,400 lab bill for work that was only $45 on my previous insurance. They screw you. They screw you coming, they screw you going, and anything that goes wrong is always your fault, while they're quick to take credit when things go well.

It ain't worth it.

[-] dudewitbow@lemmy.ml 64 points 1 year ago

They REALLY lowballed the funding when some locations have a stop half mile away on top of being slow and inefficient due to lack of drivers and driver training.

Why even pay a firm for optimal route planning if you dont even have the personel to execute it.

[-] Bobert@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So I can't speak to every school district across the country, but I can speak for the one I worked in and there's a (good/bad, you be the judge) reason for that.

In my state the language is explicitly may provide transportation. So that means it's something they take upon themselves. They get money for transportation from the feds/state obviously, but let's all be honest that it's a drop in the bucket to what it should be. And it's not an easy job to coordinate. I don't know the particulars of this system, but the county I worked for had some absolute backwater areas in its district. We're talking thirty minutes up/down mountain roads to the nearest school.

Add onto the funding issues that, like you said, there is a noticeable lack of drivers. They don't get benefits, they get shit pay, AND they have to have a Driver's License endorsement that entitles them to MUCH better opportunities in private sector.

Not that I'm saying any of this applies to this scenario or excuses it, but until you actually get a glimpse into the sausage factory it's really easy to mischaracterize something as complex as insuring a bus for every child who needs it as a simple problem. I'm willing to speak for Transportation Directors across all schoolboards that the overwhelming majority of them are absolutely terrified of this scenario occurring in their district.

Edit: I will add that even though it was a relatively podunk district with some of the most rural locals in my state, the district I worked for did insist that they do house-to-house, meaning none of that 1/2 mile - 1 mile stops. And they elected to do that themselves.

[-] krellor@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

One of the big issues is that school districts get funding based on things like property taxes, or geographic location. The result is that affluent districts or schools are will funded and have good services, and others do not. There may also be some willful underfunding in some places as well by folks that balk at any taxes or bonds that don't help them immediately.

However, even an underfunded district should have been able to see this plan would have issue and raised a red flag with the community in advance.

[-] Bobert@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

However, even an underfunded district should have been able to see this plan would have issue and raised a red flag with the community in advance.

Honestly, I don't think that would have stopped anything. One thing made abundantly clear to me from my time in that particular BoE is that the vocal minority literally could not care less. There were more people than I would have imagined griping and complaining that the busses weren't running to their area, despite the fact it is ultimately the parent's responsibility, and also despite the fact that they themselves weren't willing to grab an S endorsement and do the job themselves for not only their child but other people's as well.

And don't get me wrong, parents should have been notified and honestly this should have been trialed before opening day. But this would still be an article and people would still be up in arms because, sadly, it's often the loudest in the room that seem to lack the ability to take personal responsibility.

[-] dezmd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wait, are you blaming the parents for not becoming bus drivers when its actually mismanagement from the privatized bus transport companies? Something doesnt track.

[-] Bobert@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, the parents in my area (not the area this article is about) I am blaming, but my area does not have a mismanagement issue so much as it has a massive shortage of bus drivers.

The bottom line is that in my state the school has no responsibility to provide transportation for your children get to school (outside of specific circumstances).Think of that how you will but ultimately that's neither here nor there. Don't have children if you don't want the responsibility that comes with them. And further, even if having children wasn't your choice that doesn't change that responsibility.

The other thing that needs mentioning is I'm singling out the vocal minority in particular. The people who get irate about the situation and think there has to be someone to blame in the BoE when more often than not the situation is out of their hands. The people who want to shout the loudest at people who's hands are tied are the least likely to lift a finger to alleviate the situation. And I get not everyone can just drop what they're doing, get an S endorsement and subsist on a bus driver's salary, but there's more than enough that can and won't. It's akin to the hand wringing about "dey tuk ar jerbs", the people who actually believe that won't actually go out and work as busboys, roofers, tree trimmers and farm hands. That's above them and too little of a wage for too much labor.

Instead of getting pissed at the BoE because there's a driver shortage due to subpar wages, increasingly hostile work environments and incredible amounts of responsibility and liability, maybe they could, I dunno, vote more responsibly? Write their state and federal representatives? Direct the anger at the people who have incredible control over the situation without having skin in the game?

Edit: and what the hell are you even talking about with "privatized bus transport companies"? Bus drivers are BoE employees meaning employees of their city/county school system and therefore state/public employees.

[-] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

I didn’t really live that rural.. I… don’t think? but I was dropped off a half mile walk from my house because the bus would have had to back up a quarter mile to actually drop me off any closer, and I’d still have to walk a quarter mile because the bus couldn’t get down the gravel driveway. One side was a 26-foot deep man made pond (17 foot deep at the dam), the other side was a 15 foot drop into a marsh, with a dam between them passing under the driveway. Nothin doin.

When we got new drivers some of them tried but it was so uncomfortable for me to have caused that situation I just told them not to bother… I was 10, used to it, so it was whatever.

When I was like 13 my mom forgot to pick me up from wrestling practice and I had to walk 12 miles home in the dark along the highway. She didn’t realize I wasn’t there until I walked in at like 10:30.. That wasn’t a lot of fun. That’s not really related to the bus issue, other than I wasn’t really that far from the school, I just felt the need to offload it. :)

[-] J12@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

There are hundreds of administrators in this school district making six figures. The main administrator makes 300k+ if we didn't have enough drivers these tax payer funded jerkoffs could've been out driving these buses and getting these kids home safely. JCPS likes to waste money year in and year out and every single year they do something embarrassing. This one was top tier embarrassing.

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Better cut more funding for K-12! Some of these kids can still tell time!

The US has collapsed, most just aren't willing to admit it to themselves.

[-] J12@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

JCPS is not suffering for funding. A big part of the issue is they used shitty software to plan a bus route. On top of it being notoriously hard for keeping drivers in the district.

Edit: but shit like this happens and the R’s that control the state are going to start calling for the funding to be slashed, because might as well, its already one of the worst in the state.

JCPS needs a massive overhaul. Something big needs to change.

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

The drivers aren't vanishing in the night at the hands of shadowy cabal.

It's "notoriously hard for keeping drivers" because the money needed to keep them has been pocketed by administrators or politicians. That's why their wages keep going up but the wages of everyone below them keep going down.

It's a problem with an identifiable cause and known solution, and it needs to be said out loud every time.

[-] J12@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yea, I said that in another comment.

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"On top of it being notoriously hard for keeping drivers in the district."

If you pay them, they will drive. If you raise them adequately regularly, they will stay.

Just like the national "teacher shortage" because we pay them dogshit relative to their education, tell them they're spoiled and don't even deserve dogshit, and then blame the few still showing up for poor outcomes. Then, when kids recognize that getting into teaching makes you a sucker, we cry tears of blood about classroom sizes as if we can't trace back why.

We should take half the defense budget for 10 years and put it into rebuilding the utter ruin that is public K-12, in order of the states with the worst outcomes, if we want to even compete in the future. We of course won't though. We'll jist keep saying "if only there was something we could dooooooooo..."

Ooh I know, we should cut rich peoples taxes yet again, that'll help this time for sure!

[-] LordTrychon@startrek.website 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Something I haven't seen in the comments but is very important to the equation.... Louisville has a very messed up bussing situation and has for years.

I'm not SUPER aware of the details, but that's because I live on the southern Indiana side of the river (just miles away from Louisville). My wife moved over here years ago specifically to avoid this issue for her kid before he was in the school system.

Louisville has a long standing policy where there is some sort of lottery that chooses what school you go to, rather than your school being determined by your nearest available.

The idea was clearly based on good intentions... to ensure that kids from any neighborhood would have the same opportunities, etc etc.

However, in reality it is a nightmare. Louisville isn't the largest metro area or the most sprawling, but still, trying to bus students from every school to every part of the county is ridiculous.

I think they made some changes in the past few years to make it easier to get a closer school, but again I'm not super up to date on it because it doesn't affect me other than the bus routes being an issue every year and hearing about it on the local news.

It's gotten worse and worse over the years though.

Again, I'm sure there are much more informed people with better info on this out there, but until they jump in I figured I'd add some pertinent info since this isn't a local lemmy community.

[-] JeffCraig@citizensgaming.com 6 points 1 year ago

They just need to spread the money out to all schools per capital, not spread the children out lmao.

Our education system is a huge joke.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Maybe they should buy a second bus. Or maybe even a third...

[-] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago

OMG I'd be so pissed. Like, I'd weather just pick them up myself, or track the bus down and pull them off of it.

For a time, I lived an hour from my school. Caught the bus at about 530am, and got home at like 5ish. Very rural area in the Mojave desert. But this is just so bad.

[-] krellor@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

I'm not familiar with your school background, but I suspect a watershed distinction is rural vs urban districts. I've had kids in both, and in rural districts, the buses are important, but not as vital for in-town kids as in the metro areas. I'n the rural districts as many kids were dropped off by car or public transit as took the school buses. In the metro areas, the bus might be required or effectively the only option.

It's all speculation, but this isn't Podunk Kentucky; this is Louisville. This is really something a metro of nearly a million people should have figured out by now. But easy to Monday morning quarterback, and I do sympathize with the funding constraints and public apathy.

[-] Bobert@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

You're right and it's on me for not reading the article to understand that this is Louisville so it does make for a much, much different experience than my region.

[-] Kinglink@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

School system: "Kids..... Fuck 'em!"

I really hope this is more "didn't realize a mistake in the planning" and not "knew and expected 10 pm drop off"

Though when I was young I had to walk to the other side of my block to get a ride to school because my house was with in a half mile of school, the other corner wasn't. That wasn't a huge deal, but still stupid.

[-] Taako_Tuesday@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's unintentional in that they thought they could handle the number of kids needing to be bused, despite the fact that they were massively defunded and there weren't enough buses or trained drivers

[-] finthechat@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

My bus ride home from school was about an hour when I was in middle school. I thought that sucked, lol.

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