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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world

TLDR: If you were building a NAS for 8 HDDs and 1 SSD today, what case would you use?

I'm going to be rebuilding my system soon (currently using an old PowerEdge T610) using one of my other older (R5 1600) systems and I've basically hit a road block on picking a case.

I've got 8 HDDs that need to fit in the system after it's rebuilt (plus at least one SSD) so I'm kinda limited in that regard.

The rest of the system is planned out (mostly because I'm reusing old parts) it's just the case I'm stuck on.

I'm wanting to avoid rack mounting currently mostly due to space (and wanting to keep it under $200)

I was thinking maybe the Fractal Design Define R5, the Fractal Design Node 804, or the Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 but I'm open to suggestions.

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[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 17 points 10 months ago

Fractal Design, definitely. The model I'm using is no longer made but they have very good ones today too. Look into the Define and Meshify lines. They have models that can utilize the full height of the case for HDD/SSD slots with openings on both sides for maximum ease of cable routing.

The Define 7 or Meshify 2 is most likely what you want. They only come with 6 HDD brackets included but you can buy more and they have slots for up to 11.

The R5 is another good choice, I like those brackets more, but it's not so flexible as the others I mentioned, and the 5.25" bays will most likely go unused and just take up space.

Don't get the Node 804, it's much larger than it seems (check out yt videos) and is cramped and hard to work in.

[-] humancrayon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

I second the R5 case. I have one for my NAS and it’s been a dream to work in.

[-] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

The R5 is amazing, though yeah the 5.25" bays are kinda a waste.

I found a thingy though that fits into the bay and houses 6 2.5" SSDs, it's pretty cool!

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah I expect acting as SSD bays could become popular in the future if SSD prices drop low enough. Although they might be M.2 bays by then.

I have a bunch of old 60 GB 2.5" SSDs around but they're so small it's not worth bothering to set up an array of them. Plus they're more useful individually for stuff like upgrading an old laptop, portable USB storage or installing Windows the one time in three years I need it.

In the meantime I've liberated the 2x HDD cage from a Define C Mini's shroud and mounted it on the floor in a fan slot.

[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago

I've currently got the Meshify C (not the 2) for my main gaming rig and I've dug it the whole time I've had it; looking at the drive mounting for the Meshify 2 makes me really want it for sure as that looks really convenient

The more I looked at the Node 804 since I made this post the less I liked it

NGL I wish their North line of cases had more slots for HDDs

[-] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I have the Meshify 2 and I highly recommend it.

[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Fractal Design Define 7 XL

You can fit 18 HDDs into it plus 5 SSDs at the same time without custom mount points.

Though you do need to buy the extra brackets and trays.

Not my build exactly but a example.

https://forums.unraid.net/topic/97612-fractal-design-define-7-build/

[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago

18 HDDs into it plus 5 SSDs

Sweating intensifies

That's a lot of drives, I'll have to look into that one for sure

[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I run TrueNAS myself in this case. I have two v-devs of 8 drives each in raid 2.

Both v-devs have a extra spare each. 4 SSDs are used for quick read and write and the 5th SSD for os boot.

[-] JGrffn@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

How's performance on that setup? I own the case and am looking to do the exact same vdev setup this next year, but am wondering if the wider vdevs negatively impact performance in any noticeable way. Also wondering if 128gb of ram is too little for that kind of setup with 20tb drives, I feel like I might have to find out the hard way...

[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Performance is great IMO, I store all my Plex media on this setup as a network share and never have any issues or slowdowns. I only use the setup as a strict NAS nothing else.

I started with 9 drives at 12tb first, about 3 years later (mid this year) i added the second vdev to my main pool. 9 drives 20tb each.

V-devs do not require to be the same size between v-devs, but they do require to have the same amount of drives in each.

I have unraid and proxmox setups on other machines running independently. Plex and other software for example all access my TrueNAS over the network.

For the TrueNAS system IMO you don't need much "horsepower". I run it on a 12 year old motherboard, 12gb ram and a 60gb SSD to boot. Nothing special at all. Unraid and proxmox on the other hand is where I spend the money on ram and processing power.

My Network is gigabit and I get full speed on network transfers, looking to do 10gb in the future, but that would require 10gb NIC's in all my PC's and new network switches. Don't see it effecting my TrueNAS sytem setup. Besides your network transfer is only as fast as the read/write of the drives.

[-] charles@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

Highly recommend cases by Fractal.

For self hosting I'd recommend either one of the Meshify 2 or Define 7, depending on local price and your specific needs. I personally went with the Meshify 2 XL and was blown away by the quality of the case. It's built well and allows for a variety of configurations. It also makes maintenance very easy as the filters and side panels can all be removed without any tool to handle dust build up.

[-] NicestDicerest@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

+1 for Fractal Define R5 - Absolute Beast

[-] LunchEnjoyer@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Fractal seems far superior at least in the budget range. Personally just bought a R5 second-hand for roughly 40euros. Totally worth it imo 😁

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago
[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I’m using a Fractal Meshify 2. It’s big, but I highly recommend it. It can hold 11 HDDs. I’ve only got 6 in mine, and it’s quite roomy.

[-] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

I used a Fractal Design case for a home server in the past. Pretty happy with them.

[-] turkishmonky@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I'm using a NetApp ds4246 to hold 24 drives, and it's glorious - embrace the rack mount life. Although my computers themselves are all HP Prodesk minis, which are tiny and amazing, 1 u high and can fit two across on a shelf.

[-] Dalraz@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

I have been looking to do this as well, I'm just not 100% sure how it all connects together. Do you have the disk shelf connect to a server with lots of sas cards?

[-] turkishmonky@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

You just need one it mode hba sas controller with an external out, and probably a conversion cable from 8088 to netapp's 8436.

You can daisy chain shelves if needed, and I think you can use a second sas card for active failover but I haven't tried it.

[-] Dalraz@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Oh, i thought a single sas port could only do 8 sata drives. Interesting

[-] 000@fuck.markets 3 points 10 months ago

I'm currently using one of the Rosewill rackmount chassis (https://www.rosewill.com/rosewill-rsv-l4412u-black/p/9SIA072GJ92847), fits well in my half rack along with my Unifi gear and HP ProLiant. I probably would've gone with something else if I had to buy it though- this was sorta a hand-me-down from a former roommate who didn't want to take it with him when he left.

[-] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

I know you said you're against rack mounting, but JUST in case:

I love the look and tidiness of a nice rack mount system. So I got a Chenbro 4U case. It's perfect for reusing my old components, and it has a standard size area on the front to install a hot swap HDD cage.

[-] Sup3rlativ3@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

So I recently went through all of this headache. I started really wanting hotswap that didn't look like it was from the 90's. I also needed like 8 drives capacity which rules a lot of the popular cases out.

I thought about it for a while and I don't really touch the drives at all on any of my previous Nas builds so that meant I didn't need hotswap.

Eventually I decided that rather than try to hide the case away I would make it a feature of my living room and I went with the tower 500 and I really love it and everyone that has gone over has mentioned how cool it looks

[-] phrogpilot73@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

That looks an awful lot like what I have. I'm using the Lian Li PC-D600. I think I've managed to get my hands on one of the last ones in the wild. They aren't even available used on eBay anymore.

What I like most about it (and the Tower 500 that you linked) is that the motherboard is on one side, and the drives are on the other. Keeping the drives cool is easy, I just upgraded the fans on my SATA backplanes and the case, and even under load the drives run very cool.

You can have this case when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

[-] dan@upvote.au 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I really like the Node 804 even though the design is quite old - probably close to ten years old now. Fractal Design are still manufacturing it, which is rare for case designs that old.

I recently built a NAS using an 804. I had to fit mine into my server closet which isn't deep enough to fit a regular PC case, so the 804 fit my use case well.

I've only got three drives in it (2 x 20TB Seagate Exos X20 for data and 1 x 14TB WD Purple Pro for security cameras) but I wanted the ability to expand in the future, and I wanted to use a Micro ATX motherboard rather than a smaller one.

A Noctua NH-D15 fits fine, even though the spec sheet says it won't fit.

[-] Sev5000@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Jonsbo N3 sounds like a good fit

[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago

If only there was an ATX or mATX version

Looks hella nice though

[-] SeriousBug@infosec.pub 2 points 10 months ago

I can vouch for the node 804, although I haven't used the others so I can't say which is the best.

[-] retrieval4558@mander.xyz 2 points 10 months ago

I use a fractal design node 304. It's pretty cool, but has all the limitations and problems you would expect from a case that size.

[-] Cyber@feddit.uk 2 points 10 months ago

I have both Fractal Design and SilverStone cases... love them... but the internal layout is not 100% of the consideration

Have a think about airflow and cabling... some of them have weird air flow designs and if you're putting the machine inside something, or next to something, then that can make more impact on day-to-day use.

For example, I have a Node 304 (not enough drive space for you) because it fits nicely inside Ikea shelving. But the front air flow under the front bezel did mean I keep that machine near the front of the shelf, not pushed back.

And also consider hotswap drive bay caddies that fit smaller drives into large drive bays. Sometimes these have weird power connections, but if you don't have them do you have enough PSU leads? So, are they absolutely essential? Possibly. Possibly not...

Maybe not the answer you were lookong for, but those are my main considerations now...

[-] jandefris@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Using a U-NAS NSC-810A. Not the cheapest, but I love having hot pluggable disks with my TrueNAS build.

https://www.u-nas.com/xcart/cart.php?target=product&product_id=17640

[-] spyd4r@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Fractal Design Define 7

Love fractals build quality

[-] rambos@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

For 9 disks I would need to print a bigger case, but this one suits me well for now 😉

[-] Lem453@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

Used to have a node 304. Very happy I got a hot swap Roswell 4u case

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 points 10 months ago

Have a node 304. Extremely happy with it. Literally unbeatable hard drive and CPU cooler compatibility for its size.

That being said, it only fits 6 drives.

[-] sxt@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I went with this https://www.silverstonetek.com/en/product/info/computer-chassis/cs382/. It's pretty decent but you are putting a hard cap on expansion. Also the fans it comes with are pretty loud so I'd replace them.

[-] Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

Fewer Letters More Letters
NAS Network-Attached Storage
NUC Next Unit of Computing brand of Intel small computers
PSU Power Supply Unit
RAID Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage
SATA Serial AT Attachment interface for mass storage
SSD Solid State Drive mass storage
Unifi Ubiquiti WiFi hardware brand

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[-] SteveDinn@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

I am using a normal desktop case with an external usb-c 8-bay JBOD drive enclosure from Mediasonic. I'm using mdadm to combine the drives with RAID-6. I know I'm not getting the performance that I could with native SATA, but it can still saturate my 1Gbps network, so it's good enough for serving video, audio, and some other web-based apps.

[-] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

I'm using an old HP z420 box. It supports up to 128gigs of ecc ram (which I have), has tons of drive and SATA options.

It could be possible to repurpose the chassis for custom builds too.

[-] patchexempt@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago

I got out of the "surplus hardware" a while ago; way too expensive and noisy to run, so super recommend ditching the poweredge. for home use, I ended up just going with a USB3 JBOD for storage, and a Intel NUC (which I think they don't make anymore). it runs a ton of virtualized servers under kvm, a virtualized NAS, all without issue because it honestly spends most of its time nearly idle. point is: it's definitely nice to have it all in one case and with high speed storage but maybe having to find something that can house a ton of drives isn't a strict need if you aren't actually going to put a ton of load on it.

[-] colin@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Just because it's a bit different to what you asked, and no one else has said it, I've found great results with the Terramaster D5-300 and D4-300. Make sure you get the USB 3.1 type Cs, but I've been fine with the plain rather than ones loaded with RAID.

For every USB 3.1 socket on the back I get 5 drives, I can increase capacity incrementally, and for spinning rust they are faster than they could transfer anyway.

I've replaced my machine with a Dell USFF box now and it all works great.

Completely understand if it's not your thing but you can add a drive box to your existing system without replacing anything. I'm currently up to 16 drives.

[-] Gooey0210@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago

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