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[-] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 22 points 10 months ago

Eliminate billionaires. Boom. Done.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

Yup you all voted to let the rich people keep all their money, dont come skulking around with your hat out talking about how we have to buckle down.

10 people have all the money, it should not be hard for you configure out who to go after if you need money, if your answer is anybody other than those people fuck off.

[-] Spitzspot 15 points 10 months ago

100% tax on any amount greater than $999,999,999 and also tax the churches.

[-] aew360@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago

The thought of taxing churches makes me warm inside

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

"The problem for the US is the starting point; every round of fiscal stimulus brings the US one step closer to debt unsustainability," JPMorgan strategist Michael Cembalest said. "However, we're accustomed to deteriorating US government finances with limited consequences for investors, and one day that may change (the boiling frog analogy)," Cembalest added.

Notice how he doesn't mention the bloated military budget, only 'stimulus'. I do not think 'debt' is the issue that will end up killing the U.S., as long as the Dollar is the reserve currency it can keep printing as much it wants.

[-] hottari@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

The dollar won't be a reserve currency for long now that BRICS is getting stronger and eventually China will topple the US as the foremost superpower. It's already written into the future as hegemonies decline, fall and are replaced.

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

Loan shark shaking his head and waging his finger at all the predatory loans his neighbors have gotten themselves into.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

Unfortunately this is about the federal government’s “debt,” which is a red herring, and not the country’s international balance of payments deficit.

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

yea also, U.S. is like the only country which doesn't need to worry about balance of payments. You see this with how every other country's current account deficit is shown in U.S. Dollars instead of the local currency.

of course, there are very good reasons to not have a current account deficit. self reliance and all (plus the dollar slowly losing its status) kim-drip

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 10 months ago

It's true that they can just print money here, but this leads to secondary effects that the article touches on. Specifically, increased currency volume tends to mean devaluation leading to private lenders to tighten up.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

If they print enough of it without shredding any through taxation, yes, but I think this is commonly overblown so Congress can claim they can’t pay for stuff, except of course for military stuff. This article was timed for Congress to make spending decisions; they come out every cycle. Congressional leaders announce an agreement on spending levels, a key step to averting shutdown

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 10 months ago

Right, as far as public spending goes there isn't really a problem. They can print to an infinite amount because the debt is in their own currency, and as long as you print the currency, you can print however much you want. There's never going to be a default because the fed can just create more credit. The government can always pay its debt by simply printing the money.

The problem for the US economy lies with private debt that is leading to a default. Creditors are tightening their lending which is leading VC funded businesses to crash. Meanwhile, individuals become increasingly unable to service their debts, we're seeing them being forced to forfeit their property. Private banks that are holding debt also end up with bad debt as a result. This sort of dynamic is precisely what we saw leading up to the 2008 crisis. We're now seeing similar things happening, but on a much bigger scale.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The Fed raised their rates in order to tighten credit, cool the economy, and cause layoffs. And they had to have known that people would start defaulting on their debts. I think that’s the main driver here.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

My understanding is that the government knows these banks are insolvent from underwater bonds, and quantitative easing is how they’re trying to keep that swept under the rug. It’s some hat trick around the bonds’ values.

The bonds are underwater as a direct result of the Fed raising rates, and they knew, or should have known, that this would happen.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago

I think this is the QE hat trick currently in play to rescue banks: https://longviewfa.com/how-the-banking-failures-unfolded/

A new facility that was enacted by the Treasury will provide help to these banks by allowing them to place these underwater bonds at the Federal Reserve at full price.

[-] hottari@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

The productivity from AI will save the US from this debt problem. /s but not /s.

[-] aew360@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

The last President with a balanced budget was Clinton. If Republicans cared about a balanced budget so much, why aren’t they asking him how he did it?

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

Also don't forget that Clinton's "balanced" budget came at the cost of austerity.

[-] lntl@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

can't they just print the money? i don't get why debt is a problem for this case

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

They are against using deficit to improve productive forces or provide for welfare. See how they mentioned mandatory spending (referring to social security).

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 10 months ago

The article gives a few reasons, one being that private lenders tend to tighten up when inflation is rising because they realize that businesses won't be able to grow at a sufficient rate for them to make a return.

[-] autotldr 1 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A boiling frog situation is one in which people fail to act on a potential problem that grows over time, causing it to become more severe until it eventually bubbles over.

It's an issue that has worried economists for years, and calls for something to change have grown louder as the government continues to borrow at record volumes.

The debt picture will only worsen in the coming years, according to the Congressional Budget Office, which estimates that the US's entitlement spending, mandatory spending, and net interest payments on the debt will exceed the government's total revenue by the early 2030s.

"The problem for the US is the starting point; every round of fiscal stimulus brings the US one step closer to debt unsustainability," JPMorgan strategist Michael Cembalest said.

"However, we're accustomed to deteriorating US government finances with limited consequences for investors, and one day that may change (the boiling frog analogy)," Cembalest added.

Risks of a recession are still alive this year, Cembalest warned, though he noted that a coming downturn would likely be mild.


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[-] kebabslob@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago

As real a threat as the war on Christmas

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