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Trump sure looks like he’s about to get smoked in court (www.vice.com)

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Trump battled a fraud lawsuit in New York that could determine his future as a businessman with a torrent of insults and taunts… and no coherent legal strategy.

Former President Donald Trump wrapped up his massive civil fraud case with a trademark personal touch: An attack on the judge, right in the courtroom.

“You have your own agenda,” Trump told Judge Arthur Engoron Thursday. “You can’t listen for more than one minute.”

And with that, the trial was over. Now, it’s the judge’s turn.

The man Trump just spent months taunting and insulting will now deliver a judgement within weeks that could wallop Trump’s business empire, with hundreds of millions in fines, a possible lifetime ban on doing business in New York, and possibly other penalties. This case could force Trump to hand over flagship New York properties, including even his Trump Tower headquarters in Manhattan. Trump, who spent a lifetime buffing his preferred self-image as the ultimate brash New York real estate tycoon, may shortly be banned from working in the Big Apple ever again.

With so much at stake, Trump’s decision to repeatedly insult the man with so much power over his fate was an unorthodox choice, to say the least.

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[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 135 points 10 months ago

“It’s not common,” Tristan Snell, a former assistant attorney general for New York State, told the Lawfare podcast after Trump’s impromptu courtroom remarks on Thursday. “That’s the kind of thing that someone would do if they were a criminal defendant with mental health problems.”

Checks out.

[-] Nobody@lemmy.world 123 points 10 months ago

Judge Engoron is going to drop an incredibly well researched and factually sound order. Trump underestimated this guy. He thought he could provoke him into making bad decisions, but channeling that anger into professionalism will end up crafting a ruling the appellate courts can’t touch.

It’s not like they have a lack of evidence. There’s a mountain of evidence they committed the offense and how egregious their conduct was. They ran their business like gangsters.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago

Evidence isn't even necessary now. They've already been found liable. This is the damages phase. That's why Trump is being especially stupid even for Trump. He waited until after the judge's decision to start attacking him.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Big brain move Cotton! Let's see if it works out for him!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

If this isn't just plain old dementia, all I can think is he believes it somehow benefits his campaign, but nothing can stop the judge's decision and this is a state court matter, not a federal one, so even if he is elected president, his business empire could be pretty damn well fucked. And he's fucking it more. It's just bizarre.

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

He definitely thinks it helps his campaign to be "fighting back" in court. And if he becomes president again he'll be an 82 year old multimillionaire-or-better by the end of the term if he even survives it. He doesn't need the business empire anymore, he needs the political power to be sure he avoids going to jail.

[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 5 points 10 months ago

he doesn’t need the business empire anymore

Well… he still has a mountain of debt, that he was probably hoping to offset by being president in the first place, and it’s possible that we don’t even know about some of it that worries him the most. So losing the business empire could deeply hurt him in being able to pay that off, even with all the donations rolling in.

[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Never pick a fight against a nerd with power

[-] Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 95 points 10 months ago

I heard (maybe on npr) that his lawyers maybe let him speak to see if the judge would stop him quickly and then they would have a reason to appeal.

It backfired.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago

Trump lawyers: Maybe the judge is as stupid as our client?

Narrator: He was not

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Or they just had to let their client do something he demanded. They work for him.

[-] SeabassDan@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Well, it's not like they're gonna get paid.

[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 73 points 10 months ago

Well, at least he's got the whole dictatorship thing to fall back on, just in case the real estate side-gig doesn't work out for him.

[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Seems like he's betting on it

[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Can't do business in NY but can be president of it instead... Smh

[-] BaddDadd@lemmy.world 62 points 10 months ago

"The man Trump just spent months taunting and insulting will now deliver a judgement within weeks that could wallop Trump’s business empire, with hundreds of millions in fines [...]". "With so much at stake, Trump’s decision to repeatedly insult the man with so much power over his fate was an unorthodox choice, to say the least."

Sure, but the judge has more class than Trump can even conceive, and will be certain to not let the insults sway his decision, possibly swinging into Trump's favor. Not by much, but some rather than none. Plus he'll complain about the "mistreatment" anyway.

[-] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago

It's a bold strategy Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for him.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 55 points 10 months ago

huh?

hes already been found waaay guilty. its just all about how hard he is going to be spanked. and since weve all been forced to sit and watch the judge make no appreciable appealable moves, hes going to be spanked hard.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Different case. I thought so too. No he's in even more shit and gonna lose even more.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 14 points 10 months ago

In a pretrial ruling, Judge Engoron found Trump liable for fraud. The trial has therefore been primarily about what kind of penalty Trump, his company and his executives should face. -From the article

Isn't it this one?

[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

he's going to be spanked hard.

- mushroom penis intensifies. -

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

Yes men have been blowing smoke up his ass for so long he’s well-cured by now.

[-] TheJims@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Whiny ass bitch.

[-] Zozano@lemy.lol 2 points 10 months ago

So Trump didn't get a trial by jury, cool.

But... How could he? Is there a single American who doesn't have biases about Trump? Let alone TWELVE.

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