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submitted 10 months ago by sik0fewl@kbin.social to c/canada@lemmy.ca

There's "no consistent association" between police funding and crime rates across the country, according to a published study by University of Toronto researchers.

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[-] Drusas@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago

This seems like it would be obvious. Police don't prevent crime; they respond to it.

[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago

I think the theory is there is some level of "deterrent" at play here. Always seemed like a stretch, and this just looks to reinforce that.

[-] Drusas@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Pretty sure all it really deters is speeding within eyesight of the police car.

[-] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

There can be a deterrent effect in very specific situations. At crowded public events, like a parade, a police presence can lower crime at that event. Sometimes. But otherwise, police don’t work like that.

[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

I tend to agree completely.

[-] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah sorry it sounded like I was correcting you, but I meant to say I agree with you too.

[-] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 17 points 10 months ago

Defund the police

[-] LostWon@lemmy.ca 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No surprise here, but I'm glad to see a study finally being done in Canada. Expecting police forces to prevent crime instead of just responding to it is like expecting emergency rooms to handle all preventative care.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Policing might have preventative effect on more opportunistic crimes. Crimes that aren't driven by need or mental state. I think you're right about the rest.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 9 points 10 months ago

How about a study associating wealth inequality.

[-] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Wow, I wouldn't be surprised by little connection or uneven, but none?

I'm guessing the important police work is carried out far from the local level with programs targeting organised crime and similar. Apparently the local guys write tickets and that's it. I would have at least expected they'd help by showing up to drunken brawls before they escalate, but apparently not.

[-] Kelsenellenelvial@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

The thing to be careful about here is it only spans about 10 years, and it’s based on reported crime rates. That means you get somewhat skewed results because lots of people don’t bother reporting minor crimes thinking nothings going to happen anyway. You may not ever hear back about that police report for your stolen bike, but decisions do get made based on the aggregated reports. You also get things like they make targeted enforcement effort, maybe in a rough neighbourhood, or targeting a specific type of crime that seems to be on the rise and you see the reported crime rate rise because of that effort. We would also expect it to be a lagging metric, an increase in budget doesn’t always mean immediate results. It takes time to decide where to use that increase in funding, maybe time to source new equipment and train officers on its use, maybe they’re able to hire more officers but there’s a training period before you see the results of increased staffing. If budgets aren’t committed ahead of time the department might be conservative about spending on things like increasing the workforce that creates and ongoing cost vs programs that can be rolled back if the budget falls, or capital expenditures that provide value beyond the initial cost.

[-] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 4 points 10 months ago

Social science is often slippery like that. This is still pretty suggestive, though.

[-] WiseThat@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

Actually, in most cases having fewer police on the streets leads to LESS petty crime.

This is because cops tend to spook people, so everyone (including the innocent, law abiding citizens) will leave areas that are patrolled.

This creates the ideal scenario for crime: there are few/no witnesses around for a while after the cops come by.

In pretty much every case I am aware of where cops go on strike and stop doing regular beat patrols, crime goes DOWN.

[-] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 1 points 10 months ago

Is there documentation of that somewhere?

[-] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

Canada spends a LOT less on policing than the US and has MUCH less crime. Crime severity is basically half in Canada, and per capita police spending is half. For example, the safest major city in North America is Toronto.

Not coincidentally, Canada also has better social services like public healthcare, more equitable access to schooling, and higher social mobility. This is the argument for defunding the police. We need police, but other things have a much bigger effect on safety.

[-] MGN22@lemmy.ca -5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
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