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submitted 9 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Hundreds of thousands of people took the streets across Germany this weekend as the nation enters a second week of protests against the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party.

Around 100,000 gathered outside the Bundestag in Berlin alone, said the police, with up to 200,000 counted by the organizers in Bavaria's Munich. Significant turnout was also reported in the cities that represent traditional the AfD voting strongholds in eastern Germany, like Leipzig and Dresden.

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[-] slevinkelevra@sh.itjust.works 84 points 9 months ago

Finally an article mentioning that CDU members were also present and supporting the plans of the AfD. They are the enablers and cause for the "Rechtsruck" with their policies and rhetoric, trying to fish for far right votes for years.

[-] P1r4nha@feddit.de 7 points 9 months ago

They are enablers but at the same time it's impossible for them to position themselves into opposition to the ruling parties because they've been "the establishment" for far too long. So the anti-establishment right flocks to the AfD as the only viable option for them and gets radicalized.

[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 71 points 9 months ago

Wish we could have something like this in the US, but apparently we’re just going to let the Nazis take over instead.

[-] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago

There have been great lengths taken over the course of decades to make protestation on this scale prohibitively difficult for Americans. The exact numbers are apparently up for debate but between 40 and 80% of Americans can't afford to miss a single paycheck. Splinter protests across the country do fuck all for federal issues and since most people can't afford to make the trip to DC we're stuck with a non-starter until things get so bad that it doesn't matter if people are getting paid or not.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 43 points 9 months ago

First they came for the Nazis, and I said nothing. Because fuck Nazis.

The End

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

First we came for the Nazis. Then everything was really chill and nice so we went home and had a good night's rest.

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 38 points 9 months ago

This is just so good to see. A giant majority coming out against an insane minority to tell them that they are insane.

[-] Caitlyynn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 9 months ago

I'm in this picture (not literally, I was in Halle) and I like it!

[-] griD@feddit.de 34 points 9 months ago

This weekend, there is even a protest in my tiny 30k people town. You love to see it. I will participate, as I did last weekend in Braunschweig (Brunswick).

[-] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Huh, had no idea that's where the name originated.

We have a Altona and Heidelberg in Melbourne, Australia. Guess I can add Brunswick to the list too

💪 Bitte sag "fick dich" zur AfD für uns. Stay safe friend.

[-] griD@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago

Will do that, gladly.

[-] roastedDeflator@kbin.social 34 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The AfD, polling second in nationwide surveys...

Since the AfD is the 2nd strongest power in Germany and in the parliament for quite some time now, I would say its about time to protest against it. I mean great they do, but I don't see any bottom-up sharp reflexes, given their recent history.

[-] ThankYou@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

What recent history do you mean?

[-] EntropyPure@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago

There were various secret meetings that became public afterwards. From plans to storming the Bundestag like Jan 6 and the Capitol to meetings with far right Nazis that are on watchlists of the local secret service, the Bundesverfassungsschutz.

Latest meeting was on the topic of „How to deport political opponents and immigrants after seizing the political system“ which not only featured known Nazis but members of the CDU Conservative Party (Merkel‘s Crew).

That was the drop too much that ignited the whole protest we see now. And it is well overdue if you ask me

[-] vintageballs@feddit.de 4 points 9 months ago

The Verfassungsschutz is nothing like the Secret Service, it's more like Homeland Security or the FBI.

[-] EntropyPure@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Mayhaps, I don’t have an equivalent table comparing all the services here to others in the world 😅

[-] vintageballs@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago

The Secret Service, AFAIK, is mostly tasked with protecting the president (and related persons), they are basically bodyguards.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Protecting the president (and other eligible high profile individuals) and dealing with currency fraud, apparently.

They'd get SO pissed if someone slipped Bill Clinton a bogus $20 bill!

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

Both BKA tasks in Germany, the FBI is a good comparison though aside from those bodyguard tasks and reserves the states can call upon (which then act under state law) without boots on the ground. That'd be the BPOL, roughly speaking boarder and coast guard, your Amtrak cops and the TSA. Then there's the Parliamentary Police, and the Zoll, the armed wing of the finance ministry. And that's actually all police forces we have (on the federal level), mostly because not everything is its own agency. The states pretty much mirror that structure (investigative vs. boots vs. financial police), with possibly the addition of the forces of the justice ministries, they're cops in a sense (court ushers, prison guards, suchlike).

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago

2nd??? SPD/FPD/Grün Ampel I guess are 1? CSU/CDU is less popular now than the AfD? That's wild.

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Support for Germany's far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) hit an all-time high of 23% in a poll on Tuesday as the party continued to benefit from the fallout of a budget crisis. Although the ruling coalition last week agreed a budget for next year after a court ruling upended its financial plans, mainstream parties fear that economic uncertainty could push voters to the AfD before elections in three eastern states next year. The Forsa poll put the AfD up one percentage point from last week, a record high for the institute, closing the gap with the opposition conservative bloc which was unchanged at 31%. The radical left Linke slipped one point to 3% while other parties were unchanged. Chancellor Olaf Scholz's Social Democrats (SPD) were on 14% and the Greens and pro-business Free Democrats, who share power with the SPD, were on 13% and 5% respectively.

Reuters 2023-12-19

Support for the Alternative for Germany (AfD) dropped slightly in two polls published on Tuesday after 10 days of nationwide protests against the far-right party, although it remained firmly in second place. Support for the AfD dropped 2 percentage points to 20% in a Forsa poll, the lowest level in four months. The party remained behind the opposition conservatives on 31% but still well ahead of all the three parties in Chancellor Olaf Scholz's centre-left coalition, who together were polling 32%. The AfD dropped 1.5 percentage points on the week to 21.5% in the poll by the German Institute for New Social Answers (INSA), behind the conservatives on 30.5% and the ruling coalition on 31%. "The demonstrations against the AfD are supported by 37% of Germans and they are showing an impact," INSA chief Hermann Binkert said.

Reuters 2024-01-23

It seems like it has only gone down 1.5% since the protests. 20% support is quite worrying.

[-] aksdb@feddit.de 4 points 9 months ago

It would be weird if the protests had a big effect on the predicted votes. Who would be all for the AfD and then suddenly go "yeah well, I changed my mind now"?

The protests should mainly convince the government to finally start the process to ban the AfD.

[-] roastedDeflator@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It looks like the numbers of polls from INSA in 2024 were 7 and the percentage number for AfD varied from 18 to 23.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_German_federal_election#2024

[edit: So in that sense one could rightfully argue that we saw a raise for AfD in 2024, despite the drop in the last few days.]

[-] nao@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

They are only 2nd if you count individual parties, not coalitions. So "2nd strongest power" is misleading

[-] Rooter@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

The only good Nazi is a dead one.

[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Fuck the AfD.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 22 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I'm pretty proud of my people.

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