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Despite billions being spent on propaganda over the past two years, people in Europe are starting to see past it (lemmygrad.ml)
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The Anti-Corruption Foundation, which criticizes Putin and is reputed to be the best independent pollster in Russia, just did a poll in Germany & France. It asked: who's responsible for starting the Ukraine war?

Here's Germany's result:

Here are the polling numbers from France:

It appears that both in Germany and France, more people believe that the US is responsible for starting the war in Ukraine than believe that Putin is responsible.

Leonid Volkov of the Anti-Corruption Foundation claims that these numbers show how effective Putin's propaganda is in Germany & France.

This is a laughable explanation of the numbers given that populations of Germany and France are exposed to US propaganda to a far greater degree than they are exposed to Russian propaganda. In fact, much of Russian media is even banned in EU at this point.

One can only imagine what these numbers would look like if the populations of Germany and France were not being bombarded with US government propaganda about the origins of the Ukraine war.

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[-] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

the answer being "Vladimir Putin" instead of "Russia" or "the Russian government" is just peak liberalism

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I noticed that as well, I love how they keep trying to pretend that Putin just rules by decree. You even see it in articles about the military news as if Putin personally commands all the forces, like he's playing an RTS there or something. It's absolutely incredible framing. I guess it's necessary to keep the whole if we only got rid of Putin everything would be great narrative going.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Putin is god almighty vs all Russians are orcs - two button meme (liberals press both).

Actually this narration is quite understandable for two reasons, first is idealism and fear of marxism, capitalist media fear doing the materialist analysis of material conditions, so they instead press the most vulgar idealist interpretation for which even Ranke and Gibbon would kick their asses. And no wonder, imagine what would happen if people suddenly started to use historical materialism! Second is the realpolitik, if they manage to get rid of Putin and vassalize Russia they would need to tone down the hatred in order to control it and direct it to next target.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I'm also at a loss as to what these people expect will happen if Putin somehow got ousted. He's basically a moderate in Russia, it's likely that Medvedev or maybe even somebody like Kadyrov could get in power after. The fixation on Putin shows utter lack of understanding of Russian politics.

[-] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

they do it for all enemy countries (Xi, Kim, Assad, Maduro, etc.), and to shift blame domestically onto individuals rather than the system

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Who the hell wrote those questions, why is Putin even separate from Russia and why Russians are singled out as a nation here.

[-] luchuan@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

What having to pay for the electric bill will do to an mf

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

turns out that no amount of propaganda can compete with the material conditions people experience

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

The Anti-Corruption Foundation

Asks "Please select who is responsible for the war? Is it:
A) A country (USA)
B) A person (Putin)
C) A transnational nuclear military (NATO)
D) A continent (European Countries)
E) A country and its people (Russia and The Russians)
F) This question is hard to answer "

Not the USA and it's people. Not Joe Biden. Not European people. Not Ukraine and The Ukrainians.

It's laughably corrupt

[-] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I remember taking English classes and learning about how to avoid biasing polls and such. But these professional journalists don't even try to have the same level of integrity as school children. Western media is truly incredible. Incredibly shit.

[-] Life2Space@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Here's to hoping that Europe can separate from the US and integrate with Eurasia 🥳

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

That's basically the process that US was aiming to prevent from developing with the war. If Europe continued economic integration with Russia and China then US would necessarily start losing political influence over it. Now, Europe is stuck with US unless there's a massive political upheaval, which may yet happen.

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