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[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 100 points 9 months ago

This sort of thing used to be a "third rail" issue. The current political environment is so batshit, I think that rail is long gone.

I hope I'm wrong. Privatizing Medicare would cause massive suffering.

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 72 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Republican voters are so far into the sunk cost fallacy of their cult, they are more than willing set themselves on fire, so long as their ENEMIES burn with them.

To me, that's the quintessential difference between the modern American centrist party (we don't have a meaningful left with any power sadly) and right wing party: Most of us want Republicans to have access to healthcare they can afford, utilities that work, safe food and water, and education, we all know they fucking need that last one desperately.

Modern Republicans, on the other hand, would very much like if those that opposed them (or are even just minding their own business but don't align with the rigid tenets of their cult) were dead, preferably very painfully while they watch.

Note all the obnoxious signs on many of their homes openly "jokingly haha" pining for the opportunity to shoot someone who gets too close to their properteh.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 7 points 9 months ago

I don't want to help Republicans. I want them to fuck off and start their own country, consequences to them be damned.

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 4 points 9 months ago

I love seeing all the posts in secession groups asking if they'll keep their ebt and ssi. I'm sure some are trolls but we all know alot of people are thinking that.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

That's always the point. Consolidate the power at top and let the rest suffer.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

But massive profits. 'Murica For The Win!

/s

[-] fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago

They're trying to do the same with the VA and public schools

[-] TheJims@lemmy.world 78 points 9 months ago

Is American health care not shitty enough for Republicans?

[-] Gimpydude@lemmynsfw.com 46 points 9 months ago

It is not. They 100% want to make it shittier.

[-] Deello@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

Shittier for us poors, profitable for them. You were close though.

[-] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Some poor people are able to get cost reduced healthcare in the US and to these wannabe dictators that's 100% unacceptable. A hospital visit needs to be a life ruining financial ordeal otherwise it's communism.

[-] GhostFence@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

"American health care" is the problem in their eyes. They want financial natural selection - health care only if you can afford it out of pocket.

[-] fitgse@sh.itjust.works 66 points 9 months ago

I saw an article recently that over half of people of whom Medicare is available to are now on Medicare Advantage plans, which are actually private plans that take all your Medicare allotment and may not provide better coverage

It is shocking, but I guess 24/7 commercials on Fox News work 😞

It is a huge scam and the government never should have allowed it…but capitalism at all costs, I guess.

[-] GhostFence@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

How the hell do you get off Medicare Advantage?!

[-] fitgse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

My understanding is you can’t. Once you sign up for it you forfeit Medicare.

[-] GhostFence@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Oh snap. When I hit that age I will make sure never to touch that.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 58 points 9 months ago

It would not likely benefit seniors, since the private plans limit the doctors they can see and often wrongfully deny patients’ care.

I'll take Death Panels for $500, Alex.

lasers firing wildly

Looky there, daily double

[-] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

But you see, the death panels are corporate boards, not government officials. That makes it better.

[-] GhostFence@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

"Accuse others of doing what you're doing" - Goebbels

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 27 points 9 months ago

One item buried in the 887-page blueprint has attracted little attention thus far, but would have a monumental impact on the health of America’s seniors and the future of one of America’s most popular social programs: a call to “make Medicare Advantage the default enrollment option” for people who are newly eligible for Medicare.

Such a policy would hasten the end of the traditional Medicare program, as well as its foundational premise: that seniors can go to any doctor or provider they choose. The change would be a boon for private health insurers — which generate massive profits and growing portions of their revenues from Medicare Advantage plans — and further consolidate corporate control over the United States health care system.

Killing off old people first, then gradually hitting everyone else ... except ofc the wealthy.

I wonder if any rich people have thought about who's gonna take out the garbage and cook for them when the working class is gone?

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 13 points 9 months ago

Considering Millennials and Gen Z are a lot more liberal, maybe killing off the old people isn't the best idea.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

LOL I wonder if those who are thinking this way have the ability to really understand this.

[-] jantin@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Doesn't matter if the control is consolidated. No worries about Gen Z do something not profiting big money if these alternatives don't exist.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Worse: the wealthiest people in the US have the same life expectancy of the poorest people in the UK. Being rich doesn't really make your life better or you a happy person. It never has, never will. It'll always and only be the pursuit of control for its own sake.

[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

Everything that's happening in this shit stain of a timeline leads me to stronger and stronger opinions that I'm going to facilitate my own exit on my own terms so there will be assets left for my daughter to play with after I'm gone.

No retirement. No healthcare. No hope. Fuck it. I'll take my leave when time comes.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Yep. The only way for your children to inherit is if you don't grow old. The expensive death care facilities will take every cent you have and leave them with nothing.

[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

I've actually had this talk with her. (Clarification: she's an adult). After arguing my position on the matter, she had no issue with any of it.

Also clarification: my comments about self managed exit aren't related to some depression I wanna go today type thing. It's an entirely pragmatic plan of attack for future use.

[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

The plan is logical and pragmatic. In the US, people often spend more on healthcare for the last few weeks of life than they did up to that point. Healthcare is absurdly expensive here, and end-of-life medical heroics don't make any sense.

The tricky part will be the timing. It's not always easy to predict when we are close to being incapacitated.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I didn't think you were depressed. I also happen to believe that people have a right to self delete, so I was not judging you.

[-] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

DO NOT LEAVE IT TO INHERITANCE

Inheritances are taxed, often heavily, and can be disputed. Give it all as gifts immediately before your death instead.

Gifts generally have much less tax associated, less paperwork and thus less legal fees. You'll probably have to give relatively small amounts each year to avoid the taxes. Plus, you can stick around for a while and watch your daughter enjoy it.

[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I'm a tax accountant. I got this.

[-] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

Ah, you know better than I do, then. Carry on.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

have BEEN planning...

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I would feel bad if it weren't for the fact that the elderly are going to vote for this in droves.

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Weird thing to vote against the things supporting you.

[-] d00phy@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

That’s just it, though. They are voting for things that will have marginal effect on many of them. Sure, the poorest of them will be greatly affected, but many others will either see minimal repercussions or will be dead before they have to deal with it. To them, this is a nothing burger, and they’ve already shown that they don’t care about the generations following them.

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