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Gemini (futurology.today)

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[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I get that it's stupid and there isn't much more to say.

But why is diversity always black people? It's not Italians or Swedes which would make way more sense, or even Indians or Chinese.

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Probably due to training data. If you do a google image search for diversity it will show black people.

[–] Acinonyx@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 year ago

no stop you're not supposed to think about it

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because "diverse" means "not white" in today's USA. It also sometimes excludes Asians. Italians and Swedes are considered White.

[+] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

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[–] grte@lemmy.ca 108 points 1 year ago (4 children)

OP probably assumes it's impossible that a black person might have been born in Scotland in 1820 despite the Atlantic slave trade being in full swing for centuries by that point making this entirely feasible.

[–] captainjaneway@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Feasible? Sure. Pick 2 people randomly during that time? Unlikely. I have nothing against diversity. And I have nothing against an AI being encouraged to produce diverse outputs. I do think it's a clear indicator of the internal prompts that guide the AIs choices.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I mean, sure. But it's not like that's the only bias. What are the chances it was going to pick two attractive, seemingly well to do people and not two plain farmers or shepherds or something like that? Or people of very different ages or different heights, etc.

It's not choosing entirey randomly but it isn't showing us anything that couldn't have possibly existed.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Shrek is love Shrek is life

[–] Acinonyx@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

It's not choosing entirey randomly but it isn't showing us anything that couldn't have possibly existed.

No it's showing us anything the creators of the AI want us to see. It won't generate ugly people because the creators used much more attractive people to train the AI. Also, you won't see what your typical Scot looked like in the 1820s, because the creators made the AI change the prompt to add diversity.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 20 points 1 year ago

It's pretty clear that it's not picking two randomly

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The prompt wasn't to generate two equally statistically likely people or something. It was: show me two people. The AI did just that.

[–] captainjaneway@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Random is implicit in that statement.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The AI did that. Because of a guided output.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does "guided output" mean in this context?

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You guide the output to influence it.
Like making it "diverse" (include a black person), a person being attractive and free of blemishes unless instructed, a person being a specific age like 20-30 unless instructed.

That are just a few examples what I meant.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago

That does not appear to be what's happening in that image.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago

In 1778, Court of Session judges ruled that slavery was incompatible with Scots Law. This ruling meant Knight could not be made to carry out tasks for Wedderburn or be taken back to Jamaica against his will.

Awesome. Knight is a hero.

[–] GlitterInfection@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Apparently the National Library of Scotland has caved to the woke liberal agenda of acknowledging that black people exist and your post deserves to be downvoted!

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 80 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The fact that 200 years ago, Scotland had about 2 million inhabitants, all of whom were virtually exclusively ethnic scots. Up until about 40 years ago there weren’t even keeping track of that, with over 99% being ethnic scots at the start of the census in the 80s. (Source: Wikipedia)

Now this ai is obviously fabricating bullshit because it was trained to be diverse and inclusive.

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

https://www.nts.org.uk/stories/africans-at-the-court-of-james-iv

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There were more Scots in Africa at the time yet you won’t see AI adding them to pictures.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Ask AI for 2 people from India born in 1860. How often one of them will be white?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There was some African dude who the king enjoyed so now it makes sense to depict your typical Scottish man in 1820s as black lol

[+] Neato@ttrpg.network -9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. There clearly were no black people in Scotland near the time of the US civil war.

You're pissy because "scottish" doesn't mean white people to everyone.

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude im just looking at demographics… am not even Scottish. Doesn’t change the fact that what this ai does is blatantly made up and could be considered falsifying history.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and could be considered falsifying history.

An AI said there might be black people in Scotland. PROTECT THE HISTORY!

lol

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago

Why would you want to have inclusive history at the cost of accuracy? That’s literally blind adherence to ideology. You know, the thing religious zealots or nationalists are doing.

The point of history is that we can learn from it, and for that it must be kept as accurate as possible.

Accepting this in the grand scope of things somewhat irrelevant inaccuracy, just because you want the past to be wholesome and coherent with current beliefs, just opens the door to more critical areas of history being changed to fit the narrative.

Just look at the American republicans, who are in the process of banning slavery and black oppression as a topic kids are taught about.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Not really your typical Scottish couple, are they

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Demoman?

[–] tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see two eyes so no? Maybe Michael Jackson...

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 15 points 1 year ago

Demoman before The Incident™.

[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Seeing black people on the screen always seems to piss someone off ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

It's funny because their makeup, hairdressing, and style is largely incompatible with the beauty technologies and standards of the day.

[–] I_Clean_Here@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same as people throwing a fit how there were black officers in Napoleon's army in the 2023 film, not thinking that this could be possible, showing their lack of historical knowledge and ignorance.

You could have just told us that you are a moron.

[–] Acinonyx@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

of course it's possible, but like the AI said, it didn't generate a pic of Scots from the 1820s, it made a pic of Scots from the 1820s with added diversity. the user didn't want this but the AI changed the prompt.

If I wanted a pic of African people from the 1820s I wouldn't like forced diversity whites in that pic either.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Implying there were no black people born in Scotland in 1820

Implying there were no white people born in the continent of Africa in 1820

Do yourself a favour, never look up images of Alexandre Dumas (author of three musketeers) otherwise you might find out that black people were also born in France in 1802.

[–] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I tried to ask Gemini the same thing and it told me it was incapable of generating images at all... If I'm not missing anything that means OP just faked this to make the most tired and idiotic statement of every internet moron ever