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[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 37 points 7 months ago

That being said, even the illusion that corporations support queer people increases the overall societal pressure to support it. It’s a sign that we won the culture war, definitively.

[-] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's a sign that corporations think you're more likely to give them money.

[-] DoYouNot@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago
[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 7 months ago

AB InBev was a great example of this.. They tried some token transgensder appreciation marketing and faced backlash, then reversed it and faced more backlash. Trying for both but got neither in the end.

Or in other words: "One in the hand is worth two in the Busch".

[-] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 7 months ago

I posit the reverse: that some corporations choose to display tokenistic commodified support because overall social pressure exists to show support of some kind.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

It’s both, escalating in a positive feedback loop. That’s how culture wars are won.

[-] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

No, it absolutely isn't.

Almost half of the United States either hates LGTBQ+ people or has no problem supporting politicians who will promote anti-LGBTQ+ policies. I am genuinely boggled as to how you've come to the conclusion that you've won any kind of culture war, considering its absolutely still going on.

Corporations use rainbow paint to cover their hideous and ghoulish faces while they siphon every last cent out of the people who aren't shareholders. They are not your friends.

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 24 points 7 months ago

Does anyone, literally any sane person, actually believe that corporate America selling rainbows is tangible support? That’s putting the cart before the horse. Queer folk are largely socially accepted->low risk->support.

To be clear, I hope they continue marketing rainbows but I don’t pretend that it’s anything other than convenient money. Capitalism commodifies and co-opts, it doesn’t support. See: black mirror episode 2

[-] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I've certainly met people who claim Capitalism is the key for LGBT acceptance and less overt racism, and therefore supports those people.

I am far more with you on your point of view. Capitalism only supports making more money.

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Babe wake up. New wojaks just dropped.

[-] steve_floof@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

Straw man + meme = Strawmeme

[-] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 7 months ago

As one of a leftwing persuasion, it's our pleasure to see rent free accommodation out in the world.

[-] jack@monero.town 4 points 7 months ago

Porque no los dos

[-] Justas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Acceptance of any minority is priceless for said minority. By putting a pricetag on trans acceptance, businesses work to fundamentally devalue them and their experience.

[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I spent over an hour on Saturday playing rainbow popsicle shop with a 3 year old. Big popsicle is out of control.

[-] Noodle07@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Wait, who the fuck claims that?

[-] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 7 months ago

Alas, a handful of people in the replies for starters.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

There could be more than one reason maybe?

[-] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 7 months ago

Sure, but support from Capitalism isn't one of them.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social -2 points 7 months ago

To be more precise, democratic capitalism. Just capitalism is economic system, has nothing to do with social issues.

And I will argue yes, democratic capitalism has something to do, because it is in these countries LGPT has the most rights.

[-] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You're claiming that economic systems have no impact on social issues?

And you're sure that a position of global dominance due to sitting atop the global neo-colonial system has nothing to do with it?

Does India count as a Capitalist Democracy for this? What about Malaysia, or Indonesia, or Nigeria, or Kenya?

Edit: Poland, Romania, Italy?

[-] MxM111@kbin.social -1 points 7 months ago
[-] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 7 months ago

OK, so we're calling 6 or 7 the cut off then? Or is the status of democracy limited to Scandinavia and New Zealand?

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 0 points 7 months ago

The world is not black and white, nor it is binary.

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

You didn't answer the question.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 0 points 7 months ago
[-] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 7 months ago

We agree on that.

Can you see how culture correlates much better with LGBT rights than how high a nation gets on that democracy index, though?

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

I do not know how to measure culture, but the democracy index strongly correlates with LGBT rights. This is why I stated that democratic capitalism is one of the reasons. More over democratic capitalism does not mean capitalism with democratic elections. There should be democratic culture across the population, respect for minorities, for example, democratic institutions, such as independent courts and so on. Otherwise majority can just vote for the dictator into power with honest democratic elections. That would not be democracy, but the dictatorship of majority.

[-] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 7 months ago

So the reason that non-binary and transgender indivuals in India under the British empire lost rights and social standing was because the British Empire was less democratic than Mughal India and the remaining princely states?

That and the modern situation of non democratic PRC being about as LGBT friendly as much more democratic South Korea, and both much less than Singapore (less democratic than South Korea) makes that strong correlation very suspect once you look closely.

As for culture, I'd suggest breaking the map up into various culture groups as anthropologist have done, and see if that correlates to LGBT rights more.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

I do not claim that democratic capitalism is the only reason. But is is a contributor.

[-] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 7 months ago

Or possibly they both share a same reason, hence the correlation (but which does not imply causation, which is why noticing where correlation does not match implies a lack of causation).

[-] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm not one for leftism, but this is so on the money that it kinda hurts.

[-] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 7 months ago

If I may ask the obvious question... Why then are you following a Community entitled "leftymemes" then?

[-] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

One need not follow a community to see its posts. Just be on an instance that's linked to that instance and community.

[-] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 7 months ago

Ah, fair enough then. I'm still not quite au-fait with who sees what and how.

I've had to actively follow each community to get to see it's posts.

[-] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I pretty much only browse the main feed unfiltered.

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I’m not one for leftism

There's your problem.

[-] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

What problem?

[-] CyberTailor@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago

make a leftist meme that is not wall of text challenge

[-] root_beer@midwest.social 4 points 7 months ago

“Queer people are more accepted thanks to capitalism!”

“Nah fam, it’s just another capitalist moneymaking scheme”

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Find a literate rightwinger challenge: difficulty impossible.

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