Why does everyone fucking censor fucking fuck words now?
Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck
How do you know it said fucking? Might have said Knob-gobbling Enterprise and Cunty Millennium Falcon.
We can fill in our own expletivesa and send it back to whichever sanatised and sterile commercial place it came from.
It contained personal information
John the Enterprise
The John Enterprise
The John millenium falcon
And that's John it
It has John shields
It's John biased John
Yeah this makes sense to you? No it >!John!< doesn't
No no, I think he said "it's my-SSN-is-58385747 biased, friend who lives at 2747 Maple Street"
His name is “Fuck”?
You don't know, it was redacted
The censored words make this unreadable
You can get the idea.
How the am I supposed to read that ?
How the fuck am I supposed to read that shit?
Or reverse.
How the shit am I supposed to read that fuck?
Just be creative.
"Unreadable" is hyperbole. I just mean it's a pain in the ass
It's a pain in the .
you a opportunity there."Science Ship" sure buddy, operating independently in remote locations with light to medium intensity combat situations is a mere science ship.
Picard: Starfleet is not a military organization
Dominion: Bonjour
Sisko: jk the Klingons are our besties
Picard: Starfleet is not a military organization
Q: LMAO, even you don't actually believe that, Mon Capitain
Sisko: Punches Q in the Face
P....Picard never struck me...
Dominion: comes
Starfleet: lol jk we still use blackops wet teams
"Oh yeah, you guys totally aren't a pseudo-navy."
Yeah, it's not like they have ranks, chain of command, etc...
Well that's fairly typical of any ship military or not
light to medium intensity combat situations
Are you kidding me? The Enterprise encounters god-like beings on a regular basis, and still manages to subsist after all those episodes, only having lost a very large bunch of its low-ranked crew members. The death star would easily be dealt with in a single episode (but if possible without killing all the people living on the death star, as that would be super cruel).
Who would win, a B-17 Flying Fortress with no bombs, or the USS Missouri?
Edit: Also the Missouri can fly too, but it's a little less maneuverable, usually
Two things: crew size and phasers.
The Aluminum Falcon can be operated by a crew of 2. If you want both turrets being operated, it's 4. The enterprise has a crew of hundreds. That gives an idea of the size difference between the two, and the difference in capabilities. If the Falcon takes damage, one of the crew has to go and do repairs, reducing the effective crew to 1 or 3. If someone is injured (say by an exploding panel) it's 1 person down, and another to provide first aid, so either autopilot (crew of 2) or one of the turrets is no longer manned (crew of 4). Meanwhile, on the Enterprise, all that happens is that the junior X steps up while the senior X is taken to sick bay and treated by the dedicated medical crew.
Then there are phasers. In Star Wars, the main ship-to-ship weaponry seems to be "laser" cannons, that shoot significantly slower than light-speed projectiles. The things are even slow compared to 2020s bullets, as you can actually follow their path through space. In addition, the weapons are either aimed with manned turrets or are boresight weapons, firing directly forwards (X-Wings, TIE fighters, etc.) Meanwhile, the Enterprise uses phasers, which seem to be close to light speed, and more importantly seem to be something you can aim using a computer and just come out of the front of the ship in whatever direction they're aimed. They very rarely seem to miss. It's just a question of whether or not the target's shields hold. In this case, they're aiming at a small smuggler's ship. They might miss, but if they hit it's unlikely the shields would hold out for very long against weapons that were designed to take on other 100-crew starships.
Star Destroyer vs. Enterprise might be interesting. Or, Delta Flyer vs. Falcon. Or a DS9 "Runabout" vs. the Falcon. But, Falcon vs. Enterprise is not a fair fight. No question the Enterprise would crush it.
The Enterprise and Millennium Falcon should put aside their differences and sloppy kiss, boobs pressed together, etc.
Starfleet shields are impervious to laser-based weapons. The Millennium Falcon would get curb stomped.
This was much longer and much funnier than anticipated
From TNG, "Conundrum":
PICARD: Tactical analysis, Mister Data.
DATA: The pods are equipped with fusion-generated pulse lasers and minimal shielding.
RIKER: Not much power there.
PICARD: Forward shields to maximum. Lock phasers on the sentry pods. Prepare to return fire.
WORF: Shields up. Phasers locked on targets.
PICARD: Full impulse. Take us straight through them.
DATA: We are through the perimeter, sir.
RIKER: That was too easy.
WORF: We have yet to encounter any battleships. They may lie ahead.
PICARD: Load all torpedo bays. Ready phasers.
WORF: Aye, sir.
MACDUFF: Approaching Central Command.
PICARD: Mister Data, scan for defences.
DATA: I am picking up no vessels, no additional sentry pods.
RIKER: Optimal firing range in fifty five seconds.
MACDUFF: Phaser banks ready. Loading torpedoes.
PICARD: What are the defensive capabilities of the Central Command?
DATA: Armaments consist of four laser cannons and thirty nine cobalt fusion warheads with magnetic propulsion. Defensive shield output is four point three kilojoules.
RIKER: One photon torpedo ought to do it.
TROI: Data, how many people on that station?
DATA: Fifteen thousand, three hundred eleven.
MACDUFF: We're within range, Captain.
PICARD: Stand by.
MACDUFF: Waiting for your order, sir.
TROI: Captain, this isn't right.
MACDUFF: The rest of our forces are depending on us.
RIKER: How can our mortal enemy be over a hundred years behind us in weapons technology?
...and in "The Outrageous Okana":
WORF: Still no response. Captain, they are now locking lasers on us.
RIKER: Lasers?
WORF: Yes, sir.
PICARD: Lasers can't even penetrate our navigation shields. Don't they know that?
The worst "vs" arguments are the ones that invoke, say, Q, and how he'd instantly kill everyone in the Star Wars universe.
WHY WOULD HE?
HE PROBABLY STARTED THE FIGHT SO HE CAN WATCH, YOU NERDS.
Tumblr's gone plaid.
I'd like to think I chose the best time to start watching TOS and become a fan.
I dunno who would win. Did engineering install the remotely activated self-destruct switch on Enterprise already?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_OJPgZSGKA
This has everything you need to know
The range thing is also a huge factor. Federation photon torpedos have a range of 300,000 kilometers. Star Wars is pretty inconsistent, but depending on the ship range seems to be maxed out at hundreds of kilometers. They also seem to have poor sensors.
In Star Wars the Scimitar is considered a fast ship, it's top speed is apparently 1200km/h in atmosphere. IRC that's half as slow as a present day SR71 blackbird. Trek is inconsistent, but the TNG technical manual says that impulse can reach 0.75c but is usually limited to 0.25c to avoid time dilation issues. C being light speed. So that's roughly 150 million kms an hour except in emergencies when it's more than that.
So basically, ships from the star trek universe could simply keep a safe distance, safe in the knowledge the empire's ships are far too slow to ever catch up conventionally.
As your video points out, trek ships are also shielded. But so are photon torpedos, which at one point allows a photon torpedo to burrow into the stellar core of a sun. So the Death Star isn't an issue. Just fire a few photon torpedos at it. Apparently the Death Star only had shields to protect against energy weapons, not kinetic shields because that would block heat escaping the exhaust ports.
Then there's the whole teleportation thing.
And replicators.
And cloaking.
And red matter.
...
The longer you think about it, the sillier the comparison gets basically.
The star wars universe is intentionally "post-apocalyptic" "star-punk". The star trek universe is post scarcity utopia. Hmmm. I wonder which one has better tech?
I agree that Star Trek is on a completely different power scale than Star Wars, but comparing an in-atmosphere flight speed to interplanetary impulse speed is pretty disingenuous. Obviously there are physical factors that limit one of those but not the other.
I agree with you on almost all points. However, I think Star Wars ships are faster over long distances than any non Borg ship or Discovery. It seems like no time to jump from the Outer Rim to the Core world while Voyager was lucky to cross the galaxy in 7 years.
Hyperspace in Star Wars is ridiculously fast, true. The empire/republic is also huge because of this. We're talking millions of worlds. Absurdly large.
It's the same thing in Asimov's Foundation (which everyone should watch, the second season is excellent) where the galactic empire spans the entire milky way. Population is 500 quadrillion apparently.
I think star wars just put less thought into what galactic distances look like. Han says the falcon can do "0.5 past light speed" but then they move from tattooine in the outer rim to the core world of alderaan in like a couple of days, max.
It's interesting that people try to explain this away with all kinds of retroactive in-universe technobabble. I mean, I enjoy Star Wars just as much as the next guy but it's abundantly clear that SW wasn't meant to be investigated at this level. It's space mythology, not hard science fiction. And that's fine! We can have fun asking things like "Why is the Outer Rim considered a backwater if it only takes a few hours to get from galactic center to the rim?" and we don't really have to stress about answers to those things as fans. Edit: Or we can if that's what fans enjoy doing, but it just isn't my thing and I think that's ok too
The superluminal speed of a hyperdrive was rated on a decreasing scale; the faster the hyperdrive, the lower the rating. These ratings were generally referred to as "Classes" and provided a quick, although often inconsistent or inaccurate, idea of a ship's hyperdrive speed. It was based on an asymptotic scale with Class 0.0 being infinite speed. In 30 BBY. By the end of the Clone Wars most military starships were using Class 3 or Class 2. During the Galactic Civil War, military capital ships and starfighters were generally equipped with Class 1 or Class 2, industrial freighters and haulers with Class 3 or Class 4, and civilian starships with Class 5 or above. Many vessels mounted backup hyperdrives of much higher—that is, slower—class than their primary hyperdrive.
Some starships, such as the Millennium Falcon, underwent after-market modifications to achieve ratings of Class 0.5, and Dash Rendar's Outrider also had a hyperdrive Class 0.75, which was also achieved by modifications, although tampering with the generally stable technology of a hyperdrive was considered a dangerous activity. Boba Fett's Slave I had a class 0.7 hyperdrive. Hyperdrives built by those outside the sphere of the Galactic Republic, Galactic Empire and New Republic, such as the Hapan Froond-class hyperdrive, were not classed in the standard system, as controlled comparisons were difficult to attain. Some Zonama Sekotan ships were able to achieve a Class 0.4 by combining high class hyperdrives with organic technology,[5] as did the Bes'uliik starfighter via fusion of Verpine and Mandalorian technology.
Milenium falcon for sure, if there's one thing thats constant throughout all the (startrek) series its that larger ships routinely get their asses handed over to them by far smaller vessels including somehow their own shuttle craft.
I still think the SW universe has some completely different physics than ours. Speed of light, time, stuff like that just don't work the same way. I think it's some sort of microscopic fluidic space equivalent to a much younger our universe. After all, it occurs "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away".
Now, Starfleet crews commonly deal with all kinds of alternate universes and they tend to survive (at least if they have a show about them), so I'd still give Starfleet an edge. People im the SW universe get screwed way more often - unknown regions, hyperspace, galactic barrier... Everything we've seen Trek crews survive.
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Come on'n get your jamaharon on! There are no real rules—just don't break the weather control network.