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[-] Jakra@aussie.zone 121 points 7 months ago

If only we had the technology to predict solar eclipses!

[-] antidote101@lemmy.world 71 points 7 months ago

Or to store electricity in some sort of battery of storage containers.

[-] Moops@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago
[-] blackluster117@possumpat.io 13 points 7 months ago

Use the heat to evaporate water and spin a turbine! Wait...

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[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 83 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

had to look this idiot up and to the surprise of nobody... he's a right wing fossil fuel shill.

"...And now they are going after agriculture and of course, denim, which is cotton. Cotton also is deeply rooted in Jim Crow and racism, so that’s another reason to get rid of cotton. But also they want to get rid of cotton in denim because everything causes climate change until they just eliminate people writ large. And then there’ll be no more climate change when we’re all dead, which we may be from the eclipse in a couple of hours. Who knows? When we’re all dead, there’ll be no more climate worries.”

this is the sewerage that seems to flow from his brain.

[-] satanmat@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago

Holy shit.

This ISNT SATIRE????

Ffs

[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 12 points 7 months ago

if you can actually stand the insane levels of smarm and bullshit

Fox Across America w/ Jimmy Failla - April 8

seek to 1:42:17 for the disgorgement of this priceless nugget. if you skip around his segment you will also find the usual harrasment of Greta Thunberg and all things sane - but I would not wish to inflict listening to this dreck on anyone.

[-] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah, the "PTF" at the end of his username stands for "Power The Future", the name of his special interest group, which is doublespeak for "do everything possible to avoid acknowledging the climate crisis and the role fossil fuels have played in getting us here."

[-] zaph@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 months ago

The people saying "we're destroying our planet and need to stop" want to see all humans go extinct but the people saying "nah oil belongs in the ocean" have our best interest in mind? Well I fully believe him.

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[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 60 points 7 months ago

Meaning solar energy produces 30 gigawats per 2 minutes?

Not bad, should build even more.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 29 points 7 months ago

And that's just a narrow stretch of the country that received the solar eclipse!

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 7 months ago

and im sure the US loses even more grid production capacity when it's flooded due to the inevitable warming of the ocean too huh?

[-] Kayday@lemmy.world 52 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The US used over 3.6 million gigawatts hours of energy in 2020. If you round down, and assume no increase in the last 4 years, that's over 9800 per day. 30 is a drop in the bucket. We have combined cycle natural gas plants, along with other green options to pick up for dips in production exactly like this.

A better question is how much energy we gain from solar if losing it for a couple hours once a decade or so is such a big deal.

[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 26 points 7 months ago

Or how much power was saved because people were outside watching and not inside consuming power.

[-] dudinax@programming.dev 17 points 7 months ago

He didn't write GWH, he just said GW. For all we know, assuming this number relates to reality at all, that's just smear across the whole eclipse and no single watt was lost for more than a few minutes.

If we lost "30GW", I'd bet we lost barely one GWH.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I think a safer assumption is that he made it all up, because truth is dead.

We lost some amount. Did he bother to google how much? Why would he?

[-] derpgon@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago

If it really was GW, then just multiply the 30 with time the sun was covered, and boom, you have GWH. I don't think it was even close to an hour.

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[-] Conyak@lemmy.tf 50 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Perhaps someone should tell this dickhead about all of the land the US will lose due to carbon emissions from coal power. Or maybe mention the continuing increase in business insurance due to the same thing. If we are going to point out the adverse effects of solar we should point out the adverse affects of coal.

[-] dumbass@lemy.lol 16 points 7 months ago
[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago

Also the incredibly long supply lines that go to fossil fuel plants. Solar panels aren't as green as we like to think, but they're rugged as fuck and require 0 infrastructure to produce power. Most of the maintenance is wiping them with a damp sponge¹, and (these ghouls should love this part) zero non-maintenance labor to operate, no moving parts, and they work best during peak demand times, right? If I were powering my Last Redoubt, solar would be up there on my list of options until the sun dies.

¹i know, hyperbole, but not much of it

[-] FewerWheels@mander.xyz 48 points 7 months ago

Watts are a unit of power, not a unit of energy. The claim is nonsense to the core.

[-] Photon@feddit.de 8 points 7 months ago

I have no idea about the actual number, but saying the power is decreased by 30 GW does make sense, though... Of course it is not energy, but they might not have meant "solar energy" in the sense of a physical quantity. The sentiment is bullshit of course.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 6 points 7 months ago

But even then only for a few minutes at each solar energy plant

[-] Photon@feddit.de 7 points 7 months ago

Sure. It is an effect that has been taken into account by government agencies and grid operators, though: https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61743

The good thing is you can predict it extremely accurately, probably much better than cloud cover...

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[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 35 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Wind energy? Hydro energy? Nuclear energy? There's like more ways to get energy.

I also don't know if this guy is pointing out that the sun gives us so much energy, so we should use it more or that the sun could be covered sometimes rendering it useless.

[-] ech@lemm.ee 14 points 7 months ago

Definitely the latter. His bad faith argument is meant to discredit an alternative energy source.

[-] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 33 points 7 months ago

I missed out on about 5kwh. Guess I'll start pulling the panels off the roof now.

[-] Belgdore@lemm.ee 29 points 7 months ago

This is unironically the standard corporate response to any temporary slowing of growth.

[-] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 8 points 7 months ago

Why wouldn't it be? They already took the subsidy and got the green washing. They can switch back to the grid and move it to the expense line on the P&L. And sell the hardware to recoup the difference in cost the subsidy didn't cover.

You can't just wait for government funds to come to you. You have to take it before your competition does. And if you exhaust the funds before they or anyone else can take advantage, you look better to the market. Stock price go up.

[-] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 33 points 7 months ago

the only solution is that we blow up the moon

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Just carve a hole in it so that the sun shines through even during an eclipse. Heck, have fun with it and make it a smiley face so you can see the Man in the Moon better during an eclipse.

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[-] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 31 points 7 months ago

implementation which works 99.99% of the time

Republicans: “It’s broken and bad”

stand for nothing.

[-] cron@feddit.de 19 points 7 months ago

Wait until he discovery day and night.

[-] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 31 points 7 months ago

30GW out of how much Daniel? We need some proper stats from Koch's mouthpiece.

https://moneytrails.org/issue/power-the-future/

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Yes let's not invest in green energy because checks notes once every 20 years we will lose a fraction of a percentage of solar energy for about 4 minutes.

Also not for nothing but wind energy actually picks up during that time and generally for a few days before and after too.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

*points to like 17 gas panics that have happened in my relatively short life.

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[-] pocopene@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

I mean, does this person know what happens at NIGHT?

[-] loopgru@slrpnk.net 15 points 7 months ago

Best part here is that it's a nonsense statement. Generated electricity is measured in watt hours (be they kilowatt, megawatt, or gigawatt).

[-] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

Great point! He said "solar energy" which would be watthours. If he said "solar power" he could have used watts.

Probably the least nonsense part of his statement (imo) and not the part worth an argument.

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[-] Perfide@reddthat.com 14 points 7 months ago

Flip the script around, and what this tells us is that within the very narrow path of totality, 30 gigawatts of solar power is produced within minutes. That's a decent amount of power, very quickly, for basically free. Plus all the other solar power still being produced outside the area in totality.

Gets even more ridiculous when you factor in all the solar power that will be produced within just that same path by time the next eclipse hits us in 20 years. If a couple minutes of losing sunlight is 30 gigawatts, 20 years of having sunlight is multiple millions of gigawatts produced. I think we can just scrape the lost 30 off the top of those millions and call it good.

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[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 13 points 7 months ago

His followers are the literal caveman pointing wojack.

"Number big!! Number big!!"

[-] 8bittech@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Wait till hears about night.

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[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 11 points 7 months ago

We've reached peak sun! It's all gone!!

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[-] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 7 months ago

Yes, Daniel, a few minutes of eclipse happening every couple years renders solar completely useless. Let's just keep burning the dead dinosaur juice.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago

Yeah, if only we could do something about this problem when it reoccurs in 2044...

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[-] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Sigh… Same energy as the following:

We lost all that sunlight. Add this to the long list of reasons why “farming” food is unreliable.

[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

The sun will consume the Earth in 5 billion years! WHAT WILL YOU DO THEN?????

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