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submitted 7 months ago by Hegar@kbin.social to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I love all the ritualized behaviour, secret meanings and unexpected taboos - standing up when someone of higher status stands, elaborate rules for serving and eating, tapping the table to thank the server, never refuse a toast from a superior, stuff like that.

Whether it's about meals or anything else, I'd love to hear about any uncommon politeness standard or similar social behaviour that goes on in your location, culture or restaurant!

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[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 51 points 7 months ago

Here in the upper Midwest, it's highly impolite to ask guests to leave, or for guests to directly announce that they're leaving. The accepted way for hosts to hint is to say, "Would ya look at the time?", or steer the conversation toward things the host has to do later, e.g. clean up, or get up the next morning. For guests, stereotypically you slap your knees and say, "Welp, I suppose..."

Then you don't just leave, there's the goodbye, the doorway goodbye, the offer of leftovers to take home, and the driveway goodbye.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 7 months ago

The knee slap sounds suspiciously german.
"Ach schau mal auf die Zeit! Schon 2 Uhr!"

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 9 points 7 months ago
[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 5 points 7 months ago

That's hilarious! Exaggerated for comedic effect, but not by much.

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[-] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 42 points 7 months ago

This is just a small thing and I don't know if it's exclusively Swedish (or even done in the entierty of Sweden) but anyways. In the grocery store all customers generally turn all products so that the barcode is facing forward, aka the way that's the most convenient for the cashier. Partially done to pay respect I guess but also makes the whole thing go faster.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 7 months ago

Our cashiers are pretty fast for having to turn the product.
But If I have seen it correctly, our cashing systems in Germany can scan the EAN from two sides through a mirror.
Also you can't compare to a cashier scanning vs packing anyway so making them even more fast would be hell. Also older folks would be thrice as overwhelmed as usual during regular lunch hours.... :|

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[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

Not common here in the US, but I’ve worked in retail, so I do it. I know how annoying / slow it can be.

Americans often don’t also bag their own to groceries, which also slows the line down. Checkout lines become much shorter if you ready things for scanning and help with bagging.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 6 points 7 months ago

Bygg inte varuberg.

Don't make mountains with your stuff on the conveyor belt.

Was written on like all conveyors in sweden.

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[-] Nemo@midwest.social 36 points 7 months ago

One thing that I think is very foreign to some people, that Americans take for granted, is that a table server is always watching you when you dine. If the patron looks unhappy, or us even just sitting up and looking around, a good server will be there as soon as they can to see if something is needed. Hand-in-hand with that, signalling a server, especially with a loud noise, is extremely rude, basically an accusation that they're not doing their job. Which, okay, sometimes we aren't and it's appropriate. But to wave or stand is an indictment, and to snap or whistle is way over the line.

Correspondingly, a good waitress doesn't interrupt a meal or conversation, but merely glides by or hovers until the party is ready for his attention.

[-] Drusas@kbin.run 41 points 7 months ago

A wave of the hand is absolutely not rude or an indictment, especially these days when nearly every restaurant is understaffed. It's the polite way to get the server's attention.

[-] los_chill@programming.dev 9 points 7 months ago

Depends on the restaurant. While not rude, a wave is often unnecessary in finer dining. Busy sports bar, sure. But most good servers will be scanning fairly constantly. Simple eye-contact is usually enough.

[-] Drusas@kbin.run 12 points 7 months ago

I would consider it an indictment in a fine dining establishment, yes. Anywhere else, no. Of course, you shouldn't literally be waving your arms around. Just a slight lift of the hand while looking at them.

[-] los_chill@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago

Spot on. I used to work in a fancy spot. People waving their arms around would sometimes just get a super friendly wave back from me.

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[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 16 points 7 months ago

Oh man I'd hate that. I don't want to feel watched while I eat and I don't like to pretend the staff aren't there and not even address their help with at least a thank you. Whereabouts is this custom?

[-] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago

“I’M GOING TO PAY! YOU CAN STOP WATCHING ME FFS!”

[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago

To be fair, your name is "I stole your taco".

[-] Asclepiaz@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

The best servers don't hover in obvious ways. I swear more times than I can count I've finished a drink, said something to my dining partner or taken a bite of food, and looked down to find a new Shirley temple. Those servers are magic and earn their tips. (disclaimer I hate tipping culture but this is the world we exist in and some nice lady bringing me Shirley temples shouldn't suffer for me not liking it)

[-] bitcrafter@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah, I miss living in Australia where you didn't have your own waiter but on the other hand that meant that it wasn't rude to flag down any of the wait staff if you need anything rather than being restricted to having to go through a single person.

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[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 32 points 7 months ago

In a busy restaurant in the New York City area, it is considered rude to waste people's time in not knowing what to order. If you don't have your order or questions ready about the order when it is your turn, you're going to piss everyone else off.

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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

“No elbows on the table” is one older one. I never really got it anyway

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 13 points 7 months ago

It is a combination that tables were too small to have room to put your elbows on and that some tables weren't nailed down to their legs, making it easy for them to turn over.

[-] CyanFen@lemmy.one 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's actually because sailors were often looked down upon in high society and they used their elbows to keep their plate from sliding around on the table as the ship rocked back and forth

[-] Archer@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

My Mom grew up near Kitsap naval base and calling someone a sailor was pretty much a slur, even if they were a sailor. I don’t think that’s gone away lol

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 31 points 7 months ago

Not my culture but if you want to see this kinda stuff, try going to Japan. I exited a restaurant there and the waitress very excitedly went arigatogozaimasu (thank you very much) and made a full 90 degree bow. The service culture or like... I dunno how to describe it, like there's a certain honor in upholding your job/duty there that is just very different from Denmark (which tbf is very much a polar opposite to Japan when it comes to work culture).

[-] KeepFlying@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago

Don't salt your food before tasting it, it's insulting to the chef/cook since it looks like you don't trust their cooking.

There's a popular story of someone being taken to a restaurant for an interview with their potential boss and the candidate being rejected because they salted their food before tasting it. The interviewer took it to mean the candidate wasn't trusting, was opinionated, and didn't respect the food or the chef and they didn't get the job.

[-] PatMustard@feddit.uk 14 points 7 months ago

Imagine losing a job because an armchair psychologist took you to the fanciest restaurant you've ever been to and you like salty food. Ah well, free meal!

[-] KeepFlying@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

What can you expect? You presupposed the food wasn't salty enough, do you'd CLEARLY be a terrible employee. Isnt it obvious!

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[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That is an Admiral Rickover story from the USN. He was the first guy in charge of the Navy Nuclear Power Program, and they still tell many stories about the guy.

Admiral Rickover was the interviewer.

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[-] Hegar@kbin.social 25 points 7 months ago

One of the many things I loved about Taiwan was that people leave the left side of the escalator free for those who want to walk up or down.

There's one single file line of people standing on the escalator. Even during the evening commute, there's a single file line snaking back down into the station. But then as you get close there's a much smaller line to the left moving much quicker of every who plans to walk up.

It's so civilized.

[-] PatMustard@feddit.uk 12 points 7 months ago

Pretty standard in the London Underground too, despite technically being way more inefficient than if everyone just stood two people on each step!

[-] PeterLossGeorgeWall@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 7 months ago

It's not more efficient in how people want to get there. The people who stand and ride the escalator have no rush to get there quicker so they get there on time. The people who want/need to go faster get there as fast as possible. In your scenario everyone MUST be slow, no? What am I missing here?

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[-] bstix@feddit.dk 10 points 7 months ago

That's pretty common for anywhere with subways. Unfortunately there's no international standard on which side is the correct one to stand on.

It's mostly "stand on right", but not everywhere, not even within the same country. (UK and Japan uses both).

As a tourist, please look for the signs.

Stand on right, walk on left : London, Berlin, New York, Copenhagen, Osaka

Stand on left, walk on right : Tokyo, Sydney, Edinburgh

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[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 24 points 7 months ago

standing up when someone of higher status stands

There's a great story about this. It's probably apocryphal, but it's a fun enough story anyway. Like any such myth, there are variations, but this is the one I first heard.

There's a tradition in classical music of standing when the Hallelujah chorus of Handel's Messiah is performed. The story goes that the reason for this tradition is that at its premiere, King George II was so enthralled by it that he rose from his seat. And respect dictated that if the king was standing, so must everyone else be, so the entire audience stood.

[-] livus@kbin.social 15 points 7 months ago

We don't have tipping culture but praising the meal to the waiter is considered polite at the end of the meal.

This only applies to the elderly generation but they tend to put "quite" at the start of any praise.

So, saying food is "quite good" is actually higher praise than "good". But to people not from here it sounds like the opposite.

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Over here, tips are usually only given to:

  • Round up (lots of cash payments still) and avoid small change.
  • Genuinely give a tip for an above-the-usual service. Which also means that in reverse, the default is no tips. Granted, people aren't being paid a slave wage here.
[-] livus@kbin.social 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The rounding up would make sense.

I don't think I have paid cash in a restaurant here in this century. In this part of the world the debit card system took hold quite early.

[-] PatMustard@feddit.uk 4 points 7 months ago

They say English isn't a tonal language but the way you pronounce the word "quite" can change it from being 'unexpectedly good' to 'barely passable'

[-] jlow@beehaw.org 3 points 7 months ago

"How's it goin?" "Not too bad!"

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[-] bstix@feddit.dk 12 points 7 months ago

In Denmark pedestrians will politely wait for green light even if there's nobody around.

It makes sense if you're teaching your child to walk safely, but otherwise it's just a tradition of doing things proper. It's so ingrained that police could probably stop a criminal on the run simply by following them until they hit a red light.

Also, never walk on the bicycle lane. That's taboo.

[-] Waker@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I feel like this is a global thing but here it goes When serving dinner the women are served first, then the men. They do this from oldest to youngest.

So, first person to get food/wine/water/wtv served is the oldest woman, and the last person to be served is the youngest man...

Edit: I got the tittle wrong I thought it was only formal setting stuff. This is only done in very formal settings. Like an extremely important ceremony on the military branches of my country for instance.

[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 7 points 7 months ago

We don't do that here (UK), there's no order in which people are served their food. It doesn't really matter, as it's "polite" here to only start once everyone has got their food.

[-] livus@kbin.social 3 points 7 months ago

I think it might depend on the level of formality; pretty sure in very formal British ettiquette it goes clockwise from the person to the right of the host.

I don't really understand how they would be able to know the age of everyone like @Waker describes though.

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[-] DrRatso@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Etiquette is one of the things that really annoys-to-infuriates me. Especially if someone gets offended over me not following it. I just can’t be bothered thinking about arbitrary rules without any good merit behind them.

Now I am not talking common sense things where a behaviour might normally be considered offensive, but things like “ a man is supposed to verbally greet a woman first, while a handshake should be initiated by the woman if she wishes”.

Ive actually had this exact exchange with a superior (by standing, I wasnt actually working with/under them at the time):

Me: quietly walking past a superior about 2h after I have areived at work

Them, visibly and audibly annoyed: So I guess you dont greet people?

I just said good morning and said I don’t really keep track of who I have already met that day. But like come on, where is the disrespect if not projected from your own head?

I also hate the custom of wishing someone a good meal / good appetite. Like if it is 1x when everyone sits down, whatever, ill begrudgingly follow, but I cant be bothered to do it at work every 2 mins when someone new walks into the kitchen.

[-] mcmoor@bookwormstory.social 4 points 7 months ago

It's essentially a shibboleth, a way to confirm that you're in the "inner circle". Tribalism is still one of the strongest force in social science it seems, even if we start with lots of identical people they'll try to differentiate and discriminate between each other.

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[-] rikudou 3 points 7 months ago

Perhaps not unique to Czechia, but unlike in the US we use the knife and the fork simultaneously. We don't switch them, we just have the fork in the left hand and the knife in the right hand.

When you put the knife and the fork parallel on your plate, you signal to the waiter that you're done with your meal, while leaving them crossed means that you intend to continue. So you can leave the toilet and if you have left your utensils crossed, your meal will still be there.

When there's alcohol involved and people toast, everyone should clink the glass with everyone, while maintaining direct eye contact with the one you're currently clinking. It's considered rude if you don't. Also never clink with other people over someone else's arms.

Also not unique to Czechia, but unlike in the US, no one takes your card away when you pay, they just bring the terminal to you or ask you to come to the terminal with them. Someone taking your card out of your hand is kinda unimaginable.

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