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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net to c/memes@slrpnk.net
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Edit: Jesus Christ, people. If you buy a $150 Thinkpad made by slave labor instead of a $1,200 MacBook made by slave labor, you're still supporting a capitalist economy based on slave labor. We all do. We have no choice. The number of smug liberals in the comments saying "well I buy a cheap used laptop" or "well I buy coffee beans and make my own coffee" are completely missing the fucking point.

Don't tell yourself your consumption is moral. All of us make unethical choices every day because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Accept your shame and guilt and let it drive you to do better.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago

I've only ever seen the last panel of this, delightful.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Nope sorry, there are many much less capitalistically aggressive alternatives to starbucks and apple. Slaves on the other hand literally (and not figuratively as in here) needed to keep slaving to stay alive. I would seriously feel cramps in my stomach if I walked into a starbucks with that sticker.

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All your options are "capitalistically aggressive". It's a sign of immaturity to me that people think they're above it all while still being totally and utterly dependent on capitalist economics. Acting like buying a fair phone makes you better than others is just laughable. It's a drop in the bucket compared to all your other unavoidable contributions to capitalists.

Not to mention that many of these "better" options are only available to people with money, which makes the entire claim even more ironic. Many of us going this "alternate" less aggressive route can only do so because we benefit from inequality in the first place.

Your argument in no way refutes the point the comic makes.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

nope, there is for instance a ton of difference between someone who buys a used phone and uses it for 5 years vs someone who buys a new phone each time a new model comes out. Similarly there is a difference to how much you enable or enhance this system when you make conscious choices about which brands to use (ones that are a part of it or ones that actively redefine and make things worse).

I would agree however that it really makes no sense to of course try to infer all of these from a single photo, maybe this person is super anti consumerism in all other aspects, maybe she is repairing someone else's computer etc. Nevertheless apple is the last brand you should be using if you want to put a smash capitalism sticker on your laptop, you can at least show the will to have your os open source. Otherwise it is like going to a steak house to eat steak with a "stop animal slaughter" shirt. It is the exact definition for me of acting like you are above it all without showing the effort to be.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

apple and Starbucks are capitalists. Using their products and services is not "capitalism" but "consumerism"

spending a wage you earned is the opposite of capitalism

[–] lemmylem@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure, but it's the fact that out of any other choice to pick, she chose to still give her money to the most aggressively capitalist companies. You can say it's consumerism, but what point is she even making then? She sat down at a Starbucks to get her overpriced coffee, on a $1200 Macbook with a sticker on it that says "SMASH CAPITALISM", it's blatantly hyprocritcal.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I mean not exactly. I am not sayin the person in the photo is but excessive consumerism is what capitalism needs to stand on.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yep used thinkpad and some kind of Linux sounds more like it.

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[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How’s Lenovo’s sustainability versus Apple’s?

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

if it has linux installed, then much better at least from a software standpoint

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Oh, I didn't know you needed apple products, the most monopolistic tech company to exist, to survive. That explains why their fans are so rabbid. I better switch from Linux otherwise I'll die.

[–] WiseThat@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not all that uncommon for workplaces to require a specific OS

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That's a good point

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[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Let me know when someone dies without Starbucks. I have all life, so take your time.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[–] krimsonbun@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Damn you capitalism for forcing me to buy a mac!

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[–] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

... or maybe she thought it's an edgy sticker and fits her style?

Idk. But if you really were serious about smashing capitalism, it's kinda irrelevant how much stuff you buy, there's a lot of groundwork to be done, organizing and educating. For all we know, that may be what she's doing in that photo.

If she dressed in rags, owned nothing and was homeless, I fail to see how that would accomplish anything more.

Although I prefer to support local businesses, not a fan of massive corporate chains. My city has dozens of local coffee shops that serve fair trade products. I can walk to a half dozen of them, whether or not I bring my ancient 2011 laptop. But I do love my principles being questioned by smug internet randos so 🖕

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Im not judging her because of any hypocrisy. Im judging her because she's a mac user.

[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

maybe its got linux ?

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Then they would be a femboy with striped socks, and drinking a home made coffee in their basement

[–] gentooer@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Paying $7 for very shitty coffee is still a strange decision to me, but I understand

[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's because they aren't using a used ThinkPad

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Asus > Lenovo

They're very similar, but you get to support Taiwan with Asus. You don't have a pointing stick, though; if that's something you care about. The hardware is also similar, but Lenovo generally has better cases/ outershells, but Asus also outperforms them on price point and internal hardware and software.

[–] Winter8593@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not really supporting either business by buying a used laptop tho?

[–] Fester@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

When people make memes about you using it, you’re supporting the company with good exposure. They should be grateful.

[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But Apple is one of the good embodiment of capitalism. It is a symbol of excessive consumption, surveillance for profit, and consumer-right abuse.

That being said, is not like most popular alternatives are any better. If people don't have time to switch to or even heard about better alternatives (upgradeable open hardware running an open community-driven OS), I guess it is not their fault.

Starbucks, however, has many alternatives (at least in the U.S.) that doesn't involve as much union busting and harmful labor practices.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nobody is forcing you to buy a mac and a Starbucks 🤣

[–] shea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lmao participate in capitalism or die! That means you should spend all your money on the most expensive version of all your luxury items instead of using an old PC and making coffee at home. Internet hard-lefties need to take a look in the mirror, go outside, and readjust their priorities. Its these jokers that leftists get lumped in with that make us look bad. Yes, the original picture in this post is hilarious and ironic for all the same reasons it was originally posted, and I say that as someone who might agree with most of the laptop person's political views

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Imagine owning a laptop that you can't replace ram or the ssd of.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

[–] jeremyparker@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

I also get annoyed when people criticize when wealthy people support leftist causes. Like, yeah, Bernie Sanders (or whoever) has a lot of money, so the fact that he isn't blinded to injustice by his own privilege is a good thing.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, BS. If you choose to buy an apple product, new or used, you are still supporting capitalism even if in name only. The product is almost synonymous with pursuing a social cache rather than just useful and mundane functionality.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

If you buy any product, you are supporting Capitalism. There's very few ways to not support Capitalism at all, especially with regards to tech.

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