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[-] juliebean@lemm.ee 246 points 8 months ago
[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago

But think of all the shareholder value that could be created!

[-] PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 8 months ago

Name another tweet that has as many applications besides dril's entire account and

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[-] hikikoma@ani.social 105 points 8 months ago

Can they just sort out the housing price and cost of living so we're not forced to break the law to survive and get their thousand year sentence? Or nah?

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

I don't think you understand how the system works.

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[-] stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi 99 points 8 months ago

There's a Black Mirror episode about that!

[-] catharso@discuss.tchncs.de 86 points 8 months ago

There's a Deep Space 9 episode about that!

[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 55 points 8 months ago

Which was never brought up again. Poor O’Brien

[-] NESSI3@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 29 points 8 months ago

Hey, Keiko has a name you know.

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[-] dditty@lemm.ee 22 points 8 months ago

That Black Mirror episode still affects me to this day shudder

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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 80 points 8 months ago

I know it’s a shitpost, but the idea behind something like this is counter to the point of rehabilitation. Civilization should move towards rehabilitation instead of punishment as the idea is that you want to integrate someone back into society. I am not sure inducing trauma and mental damage is conducive to rehabilitation.

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 53 points 8 months ago

Technology like this could actually be used to help the rehabilitation process by dilating time, and allowing the offender to be rehabilitated without actually wasting much of their actual life.

It would most likely be used for harsh punishment in this universe, but its nice to imagine living in a better one, sometimes.

[-] XM34@feddit.de 18 points 8 months ago

I'm like 99% sure it would just make the time feel longer without any benefit of consciousness. Kind of like certain drugs make everything feel like it's slow motion, but you still don't get superhuman reflexes from them.

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[-] megabat@lemm.ee 77 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Can I use this to make my 48 hour weekend feel like a 480 hour weekend? I really don't want to be back at work.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 54 points 8 months ago

Sounds like you found some more time that you could be working!

[-] BitchPeas@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago
[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 8 months ago

You can now work 2,047 hours per week.
But don't worry, you'll be appropriately rewarded with a partially eaten slice of pizza (the CEO didn't like it).

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[-] paholg@lemm.ee 44 points 8 months ago

No, sorry. Ethically, this technology can only be used for torture.

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[-] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 74 points 8 months ago

Not only that would be super cruel, it would also be pretty stupid, because how are you supposed to rehabilitate someone by basically just torturing them? And also, one of the good sides of prisons is keeping dangerous people away from their (potential) victims. Imagine if someone tried to murder you, went to jail, and then they got back out in 8 hours.

[-] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 35 points 8 months ago

But now they got a plan to kill you which they has planned on for 1000 years.

[-] Ginger666@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

Are you saying that prisons actually reform people now?

I thought they were just private institutions that made insane amounts of money charging people 5 dollars for a pack of ramen and limiting their ability to visit family and friends

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 8 months ago

You're not wrong, but that doesn't mean we should abandon any attempt at reformation.

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[-] Window_Error_Noises@lemmy.world 67 points 8 months ago
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[-] EvilFonzy@lemmy.world 61 points 8 months ago

In my experience, the best way to make 8 hours feel like a thousand years is to get a job in IT.

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[-] FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 52 points 8 months ago

Isn’t this just a Black Mirror episode?

[-] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 19 points 8 months ago
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[-] bleistift2@feddit.de 43 points 8 months ago

Soo… since OP is a jackass, here’s the link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10697529/Prisoners-could-serve-1000-year-sentence-in-eight-hours.html

The gist (emphasis mine):

Philosopher Rebecca Roache […] said, […] “you could imagine developing a pill or a liquid that made someone feel like they were serving a 1,000-year sentence”

I can’t fathom why this is report-worthy. Was April 2014 such a boring month?

[-] Nelots@lemm.ee 25 points 8 months ago

I wouldn't call OP a jackass for not providing the source for a shitpost.

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[-] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

As others have said, the rehabilitation aspect is dubious. It depends on what the person "experiences" for that length of time. If there's therapy in time-dilation-space then sure go right ahead and sign me up as well. I'll just Goku-it up in my chamber of time and space and work some shit out in time for my morning shit. But you and I both know it ain't going to work that way. Prisoners will just be trapped in an empty void with only their own thoughts to keep them company, most likely rendering them insane. An infinite solitary confinement is just plain torture.

Edit: so I googled the article and its laughable how easily the author slides right in to dystopian fanfic. "This would, obviously, be much cheaper for the taxpayer than extending criminals’ lifespans to enable them to serve 1,000 years in real time." Obviously.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago

Don't Create the Torment Nexus.

[-] SeabassDan@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago

Naturally, this is the type of thing in sci-fi where we assume it'll be used to generate massive amounts of income to benefit society in a magnificently short amount of time, and then some bastard comes around and says, "What if we incarcerate people for millenia?"

[-] bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml 31 points 8 months ago
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[-] twig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 8 months ago

This just sounds like straight up torture with extra steps.

No rehabilitation, no isolation of dangerous individuals from the general population. I'm decidedly anti-incarceration but at least there are arguments for it in place of something functional and just.

This just doesn't solve any problems and adds some new ones. It sounds unbelievably cruel.

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[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago
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[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago

I want that so much, get 10 university degrees, learn to play the guitar, become a master craftsman, all in a day.

[-] Zacryon@feddit.de 37 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

While that would indeed be awesome, that's not the route they proposed. It's more about slowing down the perception of time, rather than being able to actually do something peoductive during that.

Philosopher Rebecca Roache, who leads a team of scholars, explains two methods to this madness. The first involves psychotic drugs that distort a person’s sense of time.

With a simple pill or injection, prisoners may believe they’ve been incarcerated for much longer than any natural human life could allow.

The second approach Roach explains is a bit more complex. Option number two involves uploading human minds to computers (da f*ck?), and speeding up the rate at which the brain functions. On her blog, Roach writes: "[...] This would, obviously, be much cheaper for the taxpayer than extending criminals’ lifespans to enable them to serve 1,000 years in real time.”
https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/new-technology-could-make-inmates-feel-like-theyre-serving-a-1000-year-sentence-in-8-hours-scrol/

Despite thinking, "wow that's a disgusting way to see and treat humans", and some obvious moral concerns (like, social isolation for what feels like 1000 years, which will fuck up most people badly), which make this feel like a black mirror episode, the mind-upload issue is technically extremely tricky. Even if we had the technology to "upload" the human mind, it will be a copy, a clone, not you individually. And if we don't have an option to download the copy back into your brain, it will just be a waste of energy.

More importantly, an intriguing question is raised: After such a download, will this be you? Or just a copy of a copy and thereby another being which just replaces another one.

Another thing I find important to ask here: what's the point of penalties? These suggestions seem to me like psychological torture rather than measures to "correct" social behaviour. In no way resocialisation seems to matter here. So we just fuck people up by that and unleash them onto society afterwards. Doesn't sound good to me.

Sorry for not keeping my reply focused on your idea. I had some time to spare and this kept me busy.

[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

The technology required to do any of this would allow for so much stuff, and their first idea is how to use it to imprison people? What the actual fuck?

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[-] Jaderick@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

Who is researching this topic without losing sleep, and who reports on this crap in such a blasé manner lol.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Without knowing more about the research, my gut tells me that it has been a tad sensationalized. Very little research is actually directed towards a specific goal in mind from the get-go. Normally, there are people researching a specific topic, reporting their findings, and then speculating on potential applications.

So if I had to guess, there's some company/institution/organization researching neural interfacing pathways or brain augments or something like that, a hypothesis that introducing X, Y, and Z conditions can alter one's perception of time, and then under potential applications they list "accelerated prison sentences" as one such possibility. Then suddenly you have sensationalist news articles about how researchers are developing a dystopian system to make 1000 years pass in 8 hours for prisoners.

This is likely going to end up in the same manner as the dozens of "Scientists may have discovered a cure for cancer" articles that turn up every year.

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[-] Veraxus@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

There's a whole horrifying episode of Deep Space Nine about something like this.

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[-] Icalasari@fedia.io 19 points 8 months ago

That's one way to mind break somebody into becoming a slave with no willpower to fight back

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 8 months ago

Nice so instead of locking somebody up for 20 years for murder, we can make it feel closer to 22 million years.

That'll fucking teach 'em!

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

I have my doubts this is a technology even close to being achieved or that anyone would be interested in funding it.

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[-] dumbass@leminal.space 18 points 8 months ago

You're not supposed to take every single piece of star trek tech and make.it a Reality and hurry up with my replicator, I'm sick of buying food.

[-] maxenmajs@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

You are not getting rehabilitated if you have to experience The Jaunt.

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[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 8 months ago

Showing my age here, but there's a great Improvised Star Trek episode about this exact topic, if you like improv: Time & Punishment 🤣

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

Picard got a wonderful lifetime experiencing a peaceful culture in which he was a musician and scientist with a loving family beamed into his head.

Obrien got the memory of decades of imprisonment in which he killed his only friend.

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