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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/risa@startrek.website

So I'm watching TOS for the first time... (have alreay watched all show from TNG to DISC quite a while ago and yes, my fav is DS9 followed by TNG) and have just started "The Enemy Within"

Idk why but my shitpost-ridden brain instantly went "wait... d-did they make Kirk hot?"

that's it, that's the post. It's mostly a /hj (I hope (?))

(just has the vibe of queercoding a villain having the opposite effect)

EDIT: I have now seen the following sexual assault scene, wtf

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[-] kbal@fedia.io 31 points 8 months ago

... because they had to make him distinguishable from normal Kirk but hadn't yet settled on the convention of just giving him a goatee?

[-] T156@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Could also have been to make the difference more subtle, since they're different parts of the same person, rather than being two separate people like the goatee counterparts are.

[-] frosty99c@midwest.social 31 points 8 months ago
[-] TheHottub@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

They were going for gasps.

[-] sirblastalot@ttrpg.network 29 points 8 months ago

Queercoding villains to make them seem dangerous and deviant to the people of the time (and those that are still stuck in that time). Admittedly, the people making that decision probably weren't conscious of that being why they thought eyeliner made him look villainous.

[-] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 22 points 8 months ago

For me it's a simple makeup effect to show unmitigated sleep loss from the intrusive voices.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 months ago

It’s also a subtle change that you recognize but don’t really see, more feel.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It also makes him stand out more. Where regular/good Kirk has a spotlight on his eyes (like Morticia Addams), Evil Kirk has darkened eyes instead.

[-] jlow@beehaw.org 5 points 8 months ago

Yeah, that what I was thinking as well.

[-] Haus@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago

Is Ming the Merciless an example of this?

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 11 points 8 months ago

No but Ming the Fabulous is.

[-] kamenlady@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

The abominable Dr. Phibes also loves his makeup.

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago

Makes sense, tho as you said I wouldn't suggest bad intentions/faith of anyone in the team behind Star Trek (except fucking Berman, obsly), since I see it as a deeply progressive (not in the lib way) show

[-] T156@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

Gives him dark eyes, as opposed to the bright/spotlit eyes on good Kirk? So you can immediately tell there's a difference between the two.

Idk why but my shitpost-ridden brain instantly went "wait... d-did they make Kirk hot?"

Depending on your taste/sexuality, they arguably do that most of the time. The man seems to have shirts made of tissue paper.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Eye shadow makes you more attractive, it's just a fact.

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 8 months ago

Also this doggo is absolutely adorable in that costume

[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

I haven't seen that episode, but now forever in my mind Evil Kirk is redeemed by the unstoppable power of doggy love. "I hate everything! Except maybe this dog. Actually, this dog rocks....do I really hate everything?"

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago

Also this doggo is absolutely adorable in that costume

The wrong two of those actors are dead. ☹️
It should have been Shatner, twice.

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago

Leonard Nimoy and the animal actor who portrayed the Alfa 177 canine (in all likelyhood) are both dead.

I would prefer a world where a cute happy dog and Leonard Nimoy were still with us and William Shatner had died, twice.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

A large part of how we read emotions in other people is by looking at subtleties in their eyes. How open or closed, changes in shape that give away if they're telling the truth, etc.

In media, they often use dark makeup around the eyes, a shadow, or something like dark sunglasses as shorthand to show that a character is mysterious and hard to read, therefore possibly dangerous.

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 8 months ago

but that just makes them hotter lol

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

Hot people can also be evil

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago

don't you dare bring logic into the house of ~~God~~ Star Trek shitposts

[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Probably the same reason that they make vampires sexy - the allure of the forbidden. Mr. Evil Kirk is the poisoned fruit.

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

~~I'm sorry daddy, I have been a bad girl~~

forgive me father for I have sinned

[-] loopedcandle@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Bonk. Straight to horny ~~jail~~ brig.

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago

(◕દ◕)

[-] zaphod@lemmy.ca 12 points 8 months ago

Btw that sexual assault scene is even more fucked up when you learn that Grace Lee Whitney was sexually assaulted by an unnamed executive associated with the series...

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 8 months ago

So you know he's evil without a goatee.

[-] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

You gotta pay the troll toll

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago
[-] massive_bereavement@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago

He's going for gasps. Laughs are cheap.

[-] Seditious_Delicious@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

...cause he's F-A-B-U-LOUS!

[-] Mammothmothman@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm imagining William Shatner stumbling on this thread and having a fit of villanous laughter.

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

He's going for gasps

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