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[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 91 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I wonder how many US Presidents actually were believers and how many were just going through the motions because until recently in our history not identifying as one made you a pariah in the US, unwelcome in all the little clubs that could lead to the Presidency.

Obama seemed way too logical and analytical to actually buy into such irrational things. Trump clearly doesn't, purely out of narcissistic self-importance making himself his own deity/object of worship.

[-] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 46 points 7 months ago

Not every Christian believes in a literal Genesis and a 6 thousand year old earth etc. , but yeah, probably many were likely (and/or surely) deist, agnostic, uncaring, or even atheist.

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 52 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Honestly I have more respect for the literalists than the ones that recognize the crazy, but pick and choose which beliefs within their religion they're willing to swallow the crazy of rather than walking away.

If you're going to choose to be a nutter, at least fucking commit.

[-] olutukko@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Amen. This is what they should teach in schools. It's not like you would go outside and tell people that you're a flat earther but you don't really believe that earh doesn't have curve. Then why do people go outside claiming they a christians but don't really believe in thw crap that happened in the great folk lore fantasy book called the bible. I would love to read it some day completely, like a folk lore book, not to convert. Same goes for koran. It would be interesting

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I started it. But when I got to the part in Genesis where there’s entire chapters devoted to the generations of who begat who, I realized that it was crappily written and wouldn’t be enjoyable.

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[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 months ago

You’d be too annoyed by the contradictions, repetition and nonsense to finish it.

There are some pretty raunchy bits though.

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[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

It kinda depends what you pick and choose. I’m no Christian, but I think Jesus had some pretty good ideas about how to treat others.

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I also happen to appreciate many of the philosophies of the fictional character Jesus Christ of the New Testament.

Whether or not there was a Jesus Christ of Nazareth who walked the Earth, the individual of the Bible is a fictional version, the Santa Clause to Saint Nicholas of Myra.

In any event, agreeing with some or even all of another's positions shouldn't equate to deification.

I appreciate the writings of Karl Marx, yet I recognize their shortcomings, and have never worshipped or defied him or his work.

Tldr you don't have to believe Jesus was God in human form, or even believe he was more than a fiction, to happen to agree with his written ideology that can be paraphrased as "Be excellent to each other."

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Except for those that hoard wealth. He pretty much said they go to hell no matter what. lol

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[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I mean there's merit to the idea that modern Christians don't follow the old testament. The whole idea of being a Christian is recognizing that Jesus started a new convenient and wiped out the old rules.

If only Christians would actually follow Jesus, instead of picking the shit they conveniently already agree with.

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[-] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 5 points 7 months ago

Every single religion on earth cherry picks beliefs. Including and especially the “literalists”.

It’s impossible to form a consistent belief system based on an inconsistent and self-contradicting document like the Bible, which is why there isn’t any such system.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

It’s like the “liberalism of Christianity.” No base principles, fence-sitting and willing to go with whatever message serves their interests.

[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

The bible is clearly written not as literal truth. The literalists aren't even comprehending it or the messages the author intended. They are very modern in their interpretation taking religious 'truths' to be literal truths. They've ironically been heavily influenced by science, just not in the way compatible with science.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Many of the founding fathers were Deists, which while technically is a belief in a higher power, also wouldn't fly with the mainstream religious voters of today. Thomas Paine was a flat out atheist and still remains today the only founding father without a monument. I'm of mixed feelings about that as a monument could be considered idolatry and he might not really want that.

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

wait is he being sarcastic? he's being sarcastic, isn't he?

[-] Lanky_Pomegranate530@midwest.social 19 points 7 months ago

Yeah he is.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

43? In a row?

[-] splinty@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Hey, try not to worship any messiahs on the way through the parking lot!

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

It's just insecurity on the fundies part that they are no longer dominant. Religiosity in US is diminishing.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I remember watching him saying that on the night the show was broadcast and I remember it so well, I can remember his inflections and pauses.

Such a memorable quote and one which should get more attention!

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 8 points 7 months ago

Must be a quote from the Bush Admin.

[-] buzz86us@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

I want my next president to be a Jewish accountant.. Not one of those schmucks that spends and spends

[-] pythonoob@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah, he'll run the country like a business and get us back on the right track. Sounds fresh.

[-] Wilzax@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Technically 42 since one guy got counted twice, but all 45 if you're counting people baptised Christian

[-] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm being pedantic, I know.

But I think the term "consecutively" eliminates the need to count individual presidents that did not serve consecutive terms, as those who did are commonly regarded as one presidency.

If we only had 3 christian presidents, and the first and last were the same guy, we still had three consecutive christian presidents.

I don't know. It's a unique situation. But I don't think saying "43 consecutive presidents" is necessarily wrong

[-] lledrtx@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

We've had 45 presidents no? Is he leaving out 2 or did he say this during the 43rd? If he is leaving out, who are the 2 based ones?

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 30 points 7 months ago

This quote is from the past.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

So what you're telling me is that time is linear? Let me just ask my buddy Gilgamesh real quick for his thoughts

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 4 points 7 months ago

Ironically, Gilgamesh's battle against mortality would have been for naught had he known of the possibility of our limitless overlapping of spacetime capability.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago

Mitch: every quote is from the past. Have a quote from the future? Wait, let me see that.

[-] Nelots@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Considering he says 43 consecutively, that would imply either the first two or last two were not Christians. We know that's not the case, so it's safe to assume it's just a quote from before Trump became president.

Edit: though I'm pretty sure Thomas Jefferson was famously not a Christian, so it isn't true regardless.

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