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It pisses me off that so many people put cameras on there door bells
It kind of makes me want to go bonkers and have 12-14 visible CTV cameras pointing at the person to dares to come to my door (joking)
You're not alone. This isn't normal and you're not crazy for not wanting to be spied on just for making the mistake of going outside and walking past someone's house.
Reporter: Eevoltic
Reason: trolling. they keep replying to every comment saying the first ammendment or some other US thing is more important than privacy lol
Imagine reporting someone for actually contributing to the conversation. Imaging thinking that other countries don't already have similar laws in place. Don't you wonder how security cameras are a thing for businesses across literally the entire world?
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0JP1OZ/
Just because I outline what specific laws the US follow to allow it doesn't mean other countries don't allow it either. This is not a US centric problem. I would challenge you to find a country that DOESN'T Allow you to record your own property. Or I suppose you can just cry to more mod-mail.
Oh man. You're worried about your neighbors cameras? Wait until you learn about all the stuff they put on traffic lights these days. If you're on just about any public road, or adjacent properties/sidewalks, you're ALREADY being recorded by the government. I wouldn't worry all that much about a random doorbell camera. That's just one data point. The traffic stuff can track you for miles. Hell... have an accident, your lawyer to subpoena the state for their footage. https://zaneslaw.com/blog/how-to-access-traffic-camera-footage-phoenix/
For example... https://az511.gov/
Businesses have cameras...
You don't have privacy out in public. It doesn't exist. What you're all advocating for is that property owners don't have a right to install security systems on their own property. Or to record events on their property/in public. That's just plain incorrect.
I mean, do it? No reason to announce it here, and no one will care about your plethora of cameras. Why would what someone chooses to add to their property be something that "pisses you off" so much?
Because I do not wish to be recorded
Then don't go on their property?
Not everyone has the luxury of owning their own home. My apartment neighbor has a doorbell camera pointed directly at my doorway that activates every time I open my door to go to work, get food delivered, etc. Huge privacy violation, but our doors face each other, so I guess that's legal...
Don’t go to the door then?
"Their property (and what it records off their property) is more important than your privacy."
https://www.videomaker.com/article/15619-recording-in-public-places-and-your-first-amendment-rights/
Yes. The First Amendment right supersedes any bullshit right to "privacy" in a public space. But that was never part of this discussion. They're complaining about being recorded walking up to a door. Which will 100% always be someone else's property and not public in the context of this discussion. So good job moving goalposts... even though that goalpost moving still doesn't change the discussion at all.
They're complaining about being recorded walking up to a door. Which will 100% always be someone else's property and not public in the context of this discussion.
Why are you so angry? Damn. This is a privacy forum. So of course we want privacy! I'll even grant you that a person who owns their home is allowed to record and archive every single moment of every single person who visits (creepy). But not every person owns their own home. As I mentioned, I currently rent, as do about 45 million households in the US. That's the majority of all people under 35! So now that ownership isn't an issue, is my neighbor allowed to record every time I go to work, get food delivered, see who visits me and when, etc? Their camera is pointed right at my doorway and activates every time I open it. Legally maybe, but that doesn't make it right...
EDIT: Notice they'll downvote me, but can't back up their emotions with facts...
I downvoted you because you believe you can discern my feelings over text. Tone over text is notoriously hard to figure out... And I'm far from angry. If anything I'm disappointed that so many people believe they have a right that simply doesn't exist. I do not make it a habit to respond to trolls who insinuate emotion when none is there to be divined.
I've also spend literally the whole thread proving everything I've stated. There is no "right" to privacy (outside of bathrooms and other private spaces [bedrooms as another example, but only in particular situations... baby monitors for example are not illegal] which is covered by law). There is an ultimate right to my own property... on which I install my cameras. Even if you believe you have a right to privacy, my rights to my property would supersede your rights on my private property regardless as you'd be committing a crime of trespassing at that point. Further we know that recording in public is 100% acceptable. Paparazzi use this right ALL the time. Including making a business on the matter of taking other people's images while in public. You are not special. You do not have some magic right to privacy when in public or on someone else's property.
The apartment scenario was not brought up initially and wasn't brought up until many posts down. It's irrelevant to the original discussion. But if you want to go to that point, I'd ask you to talk to your apartment managers. It's their property to define rules on. No-one else can stipulate if it's allowed or not. That's it. If they declare the hallway/breezeway "public" then your neighbor has the de facto right to have a camera present. If they setup some other rule, then they as the property managers can block their right to record. Here's a question for you though... Did you ask them to not record? Have you actually talked to your neighbor and voiced your concern in a reasonable way? They make kits to angle the camera 15-45 degrees off... you can ask them to install one of those so the camera doesn't aim directly at your door. I would venture a guess you didn't, you seem to have a hard time communicating in general as we see you do things like insinuate what emotions I'm writing from when it's never clear in a pure text form.
2 days later Edit: Notice they'll make a claim, and when forced to reconcile with their claim, they can't back it up at all. 2 days to respond and they didn't/can't. Can't even address the thread properly but has to go off on a wild tangent.
Remember the NSA director back when all the Snowden stuff happened? Keith Alexander? He joined Amazon's board of directors in 2020. Not to mention Bezos is a particular fan of the DoD and was on the Pentagon's advisory board.
Why anyone would trust Amazon is beyond me. And I don't like feeling so damn watched just for walking down a street with a bunch of Ring cameras. I can't believe it's so normalized to constantly watch your neighbors with a corps eyeballs.
this post was submitted on 27 Apr 2024
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