Gaza: UN says gunmen were filmed in abandoned Rafah aid warehouse (www.bbc.com)

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The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) released drone footage that it said showed armed "terrorists roaming and shooting" next to marked UN vehicles at the facility in eastern Rafah on Saturday.

She stressed that UN staff had evacuated the compound prior to Saturday, leaving behind some vehicles and food aid. She said under no circumstances should anyone have or use weapons in a UN facility.

A review commissioned by the UN said Israel had not provided evidence to back up the claim, but it found that Unrwa should improve its neutrality, staff vetting and transparency.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago

So unlike the IDF, they waited until aid workers' lives weren't at risk before going in with their guns?

[+] Guydht@lemmy.world -15 points 6 months ago

Oh, did they throw flyers warning and asking them to evacuate? That's so nice of Hamas.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

I'll tell you what they didn't do. They didn't kill aid workers. That's on the IDF.

[+] Guydht@lemmy.world -21 points 6 months ago

I mean, if the IDF started shooting from UN facilities, and dressing in clothes which'd make them indistinguishable from civilians, you can guess exactly what would happen.

Fighting war criminals is hard. But considering the numbers, the IDF are pretty darn good at it By comparison to the rest of the world.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

It's amazing... any time the IDF has done anything bad in this entire war, I'm told it's actually Hamas' fault.

Israel has the most blameless, innocent army that has ever existed. Every single member is highly moral and upstanding.

[+] Guydht@lemmy.world -19 points 6 months ago

Every member? Nah. But you can bet relative to most of the world's armies, they're really good.

Also maybe if so many people keep telling you that the condition Hamas created are horrible and it's mostly their fault... Maybe listen?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Why can I bet that? Based on what?

And maybe if so many people keep telling you that Israel is committing war crimes... Maybe listen?

Or does it not work both ways?

[+] Guydht@lemmy.world -15 points 5 months ago

Based on the link I sent literaly 2 comments above this.

And I would 100% believe people pointing to war crimes, if it weren't an ongoing trial with a defense and lack of evidence so far.

I'm totally down to punish war crimes, but when there's no proof, or if the proof is based on words instead of actions, then I don't like to take that seriously.

Meanwhile the only war crime that was proven to be done in Gaza is not allowing food and water to go in. And that's not the IDF, that's the Israeli government's policy. A government so right wing that the people of Israel were in protests over it for months. Anyone from that government going to jail is a blessing.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Your link is not trustworthy and if I did not have a policy of not moderating my own discussions, I would have deleted your post because of it. Find a more trustworthy link.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/jewish-news-syndicate-jns/

And now you're not only saying that every bad thing that the IDF does inside Gaza's borders is Hamas' fault, now you're saying anything the IDF does at Israel's border is not their fault either.

So the IDF is faultless at all times to you. It's the world's most perfect military.

Also, interesting that you didn't respond to the fact that your "Maybe listen?" comment works both ways...

[+] Guydht@lemmy.world -13 points 5 months ago

Not trusting the numbers in that source is fair, but I've yet to see any other numbers who make their point different. Civilian/militant ratio in Gaza is low (relative to similar dense urban warzones), and I've yet to see anyone saying otherwise.

And when did I mention the IDF in Israel's border? I pointed out how right wing and bad the Israeli government is, and how the only legit (based on facts) critisizm I saw was directed at the Israeli government, not the army. How that have anything to do with the IDF's actions inside Israel is beyond me.

And again, I responded to the "maybe listen" comment and said I am listening and the only thing which was proven to be true is the food and water thing. Which again - has nothing to do with the army.

I'll also add that the "maybe listen" part about Hamas' war crimes works, since their crimes are heavily recorded and with solid proofs. Unlike the war crimes allegations of genocide, which are currently mainly based on words said, and not actions done in Gaza. Just read the south african allegations, and the Israeli response to those allegations. It's laughable.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

And when did I mention the IDF in Israel’s border?

In the previous comment and the same one here-

And again, I responded to the “maybe listen” comment and said I am listening and the only thing which was proven to be true is the food and water thing. Which again - has nothing to do with the army.

Oh wait, you don't consider the line between Israel and Gaza to be Israel's border, do you? You think Gaza is Israel's property.

[-] Guydht@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago

I seriously don't see when I talked about IDF inside Israeli borders. The decision of not allowing water/food into Gaza has nothing to do with the IDF, or with the how the IDF acts in Israel. I'm really confused about what you're saying here about IDF inside of Israel.

And no, I definitely don't consider Gaza as a part of Israel. I don't think any sane person does. Stop trying to color me with right-wing fanatics. I'm just putting the blame where it's supposed to be. War crimes - Israel's government. Serious war crimes which escalated this whole conflict - Hamas. Meanwhile the IDF is (by what's been proven) seriously doing its best to avoid war crimes - and doing it not so badly, considering the ratio of civilians/militants dead.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Who do you think is not allowing the food and water into Gaza? Who have they sent to the Gaza border to stop the food and water from getting in?

Meanwhile the IDF is (by what’s been proven) seriously doing its best to avoid war crimes

This is utter nonsense. Many, many war crimes have been reported.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes#2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/04/04/gaza-israeli-strike-killing-106-civilians-apparent-war-crime

https://jacobin.com/2024/04/israel-gaza-war-crimes-genocide-idf

[-] Nutteman@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

Lmao the IDF is a pathetic joke. It's a Modern day SS without any of the cold efficiency.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 5 months ago

JNS Fighting Israel's Media War

This Israeli fox News?

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

So good at their jobs

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-aid-workers-killed-2d08786a9839dfc402632c7ca745acca

So so fucking GOOD

https://cpj.org/2024/05/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

The UN never said it was Hamas just gunmen.

Gunmen that magically show up after the IDF raids a place instead of before.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

This is almost as good as that time the IDF released a drone video of a "Hamas soldier" walking in front of a hospital with an RPG... at a time the IDF had the hospital surrounded with tanks and soldiers...

Maybe they could consider showing us the "Hamas" video before the IDF shoots the place up.

[-] lnxtx@feddit.nl 3 points 6 months ago

Nice staging - Oscar nominee.

[-] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 2 points 6 months ago

Full footage: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9CFPGb-oSNs

[-] mindlight@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

A review commissioned by the UN said Israel had not provided evidence to back up the claim, but it found that Unrwa should improve its neutrality, staff vetting and transparency.

The only way you can improve your neutrality is if you weren't fully neutral in the first place.

Anyone able to provide a link to the original review. Curious about on what level the UN Commission concluded UNRWA not being fully neutral, had flaws in staff vetting and not being fully transparent.

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