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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 145 points 10 months ago (8 children)

That makes as much sense as The Matrix using people for energy. You can't feed people to keep them alive and get more energy out than just digesting (or in the Matrix burning) that food for energy.

[–] BlueLineBae@midwest.social 110 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I could be wrong, but I think the original idea for the matrix was that they were using human brains for processing power and not energy. But someone in the movie making process decided people wouldn't understand that and instead went with the battery analogy.

[–] RustyShackleford@literature.cafe 59 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Studio executives made the decision, you know… because there hasn’t be a long list of projects they’ve fucked over the years with their notes. 🙄

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I feel so bad for the people who remade The Thing because the studio executives literally forced them to make everything CGI.

[–] T0RB1T@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sort of a remake, sort of a prequel.

[–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago
[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Morpheus is the only one we ever hear the battery analogy from anyway. He might well be wrong about that interpretation, and the brain processors are what's really going on.

[–] CeruleanRuin 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My headcanon is that he tried the more technical and correct explanation, but most people he told it to started to go a bit glassy-eyed during that part, so he simplified his pitch.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 9 points 10 months ago

The showing of the battery is a good visual to sell the explanation too, regardless of it not making sense "realistically"

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I believe Switch refers to Neo as coppertop at some point which would be the battery analogy as well too.

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They've probably all heard the speech at some point. Except those born at Zion.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Also there's plenty of precedent for everyone being wrong about something big, like everything revolving around Earth.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 12 points 10 months ago

The real reason is the machines are using all the human brains to fake generative AI responses to keep share prices going up in line with their original programming.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The humans blocked out the sun, and probably dashed all other power sources available to the Machines. What you have left are self-replicating humans. Makes sense to keep them alive and farm them just enough to tide you over before their next breeding cycle

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How do you farm anything without the sun?

[–] sandbox@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

They just eat the other humans remains, duh!

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

that's what they did, I guess got food from indoor farms?

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That takes a ton of electricity. How do you power the indoor farms?

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well they scorched the sky which created lots of wind and lightning storms. Maybe they harnessed those sources, or this being the future, used the scant antimatter generated from each strike?

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So they do have energy sources after all! So tell me again why do they need to farm humans?

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Mmm I'm beginning to see. Even in their own lore, Operation Dark Storm was a failure that crippled humanity and only temporarily halted the machines.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe you get "digested" in the sense that you get incorporated into the sarlacc's body, like it's using you in a parasitic sense. It makes you one of its internal organs, and it keeps you alive as it slowly uses you up over the course of a thousand years (assuming we take that phrase literally). I think acting as a gall bladder for an underground sand monster sounds like a fate worse than death.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Isn't that basically the mechanism of how early complex cells formed millions of years ago.

First it was just basic cells ... they fed off one another and at one point ... one cell became incorporated into the other and essentially evolved into an organ of the cell ... like mitochondria inside the cell, isn't it basically thought that it was one it's own organism at one point and just evolved into an organ inside other cells.

Same with the human body. I think the estimate is that we are only about 50% of our own generated cells and the rest is just other beneficial cooperative bacteria our body has evolved to take advantage of.

So the Sarlac taking you in is just incorporating you into it's body for some function and keeping you alive to fulfill that role ..... you just happen to be conscious of it and unable to escape the entire time over a thousand years.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 12 points 10 months ago

It could be that their prey's bodies are used for chemical reactions that their own body is incapable of.

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Could be it’s using you for nutrients it can’t get normally, so it keeps you alive to milk you for your calcium or whatever for as long as it can.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Like mitochondria

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I thought it also used them for neural CPU cycles but maybe I'm misremembering

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, that's exactly the original thing. "Wetware", basically... But test audiences got upset and confused, so it was changed to "batteries."

[–] CeruleanRuin 10 points 10 months ago

The batteries things was also Morpheus's explanation, and not necessarily a definitive fact of the fictive universe. Morpheus could have been talking out of his ass, or deliberately over-simplifying for the benefit of Neo, who he knew was kind of a dumbass.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 points 10 months ago

I think that was the original idea but they changed it to energy because they thought the audience wouldn't understand the CPU stuff.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

You also can't choke people with your mind so idk what your point is

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

The sarlaac isn’t eating your body; it’s eating your mind.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

The original script for the Matrix had the machines use human brains for data processing, but the Wachowskis were told by the studio to simplify it.