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Europe must take responsibility for its security, Polish FM says after Trump's win (kyivindependent.com)

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 111 points 2 weeks ago

He's right. The US can't be relied on for the next four years, at minimum. Hell, parts of the apparatus might be turned against European security.

Please, look after yourselves.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

And what Trump is likely to destroy in the coming years will take ages to rebuild, assuming it ever is.

We all hope it will be enough to shock the European governments into cooperating for once, but the odds are really stacked against that, even if some are willing.

[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I'm hopefully being extremely pessimistic, but if the Rs have their way (and since they'll control all 3 branches of government, they most certainly will have their way), America will be a much different country. There may not be anything to rebuild because America will be exactly the way they want it to be and there won't be any more parties to go against them. The likelihood that America will be an authoritarian government is pretty high.

[-] Ismay@programming.dev 25 points 2 weeks ago

Hasn't been in the last 8 years. At least.

The world can't keep building around a strong USA.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's not just about the next 4 years, we can't base our defense on a country we can only rely on for 4 years at a time.
There were already problems with Bush Jr. then Trump once, and now Trump again.
You'd have to be insane to believe this is just a one or two off, and things will get back to normal.
Normalcy regarding NATO ended already with Bush.

The times where USA was the deciding factor in most world policies, because USA was backed up by the majority of the global economy is over.
USA loses just as much as Europe and many other US allies. Trump said our so called friends are our true enemies. Trump believes Canada, UK, EU etc are enemies, and he has said directly that Russia and China are "not so bad". Despite Russia is invading in Europe, and threatening nuclear war, and China is behaving ever more aggressively in the China sea and against Taiwan, and in general against their neighbors.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah.

[-] DrGeraintLLannfrancheta@nafo.army 1 points 2 weeks ago

@Buffalox @PugJesus #natoisdead died today.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think NATO is dead, but NATO allies can't rely on USA, and USA was by far the biggest military force in NATO.
Everything else was mostly built to support American forces, which in case of an article 5 situation is the commander of the NATO forces.