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Your comment is on the nose.
I have had many arguments with people over the fact you shouldn't want to shoot someone over property. I'm a gun owner but I don't carry a gun and I don't believe a life is worth less than property. The amount of people I know who carry a gun and have said they would shot someone for stealing is incredibly high and troubling.
I don't know if it is a direct result of the daily dehumanization of ethnic groups and criminals we are bombarded with all day long everyday or if it is much more complex but there is a real problem in the US when large groups of people don't value other people's lives.
Once you use threats and violence to steal other's property, you open yourself to bodily harm. Simple as.
I don’t understand the disconnect some people have when it comes to property. Property (and money) is a store of my time. My literal life. I worked for a year to be able to afford my car. You think someone else is entitled to steal an entire year of my life? That’s as close to endorsement of slavery as it gets. Do I think another should be permitted to steal my life? Absolutely not, under any circumstances. I don’t want to kill anyone, and I’ll give them a warning, but I would absolutely defend my life.
When you value someone else's stuff more than your own life then that's all that needs to be said. Condoning criminality breeds criminals.
I never said anything about condoning criminality. I said valuing property higher than life isn't right. I said this in another post a few days ago but I'll say it again. I live in a high crime area and I am sick and tired of people stealing from not only me but my neighbors and from businesses that support the community's needs. That doesn't change the fact I think it's morally repugnant to want to kill someone for property theft.
If we invested more in community building and opportunities along with courts and police departments upholding the law we would have less of these types of crimes. Where I live the police stopped policing because they got mad after several officers were charged with the murder of a kid they arrested. In my eyes that makes them the same as the people stealing from the community. The courts here rarely convict juveniles so the kids know they can get away with just about anything.
While I say I live in a high crime area I also know that overall in the US crime rates have been declining over the years especially violent crime rates.
Wikipedia Crime stats
It's morally repugnant to threaten someone's well-being over property. One begats the other. Cause and affect.
Wrong. Rampant theft of labor, and a tacit refusal on the part of our oligarchs to alleviate the crushing weight of cost of living after accounting for rampant inflation and the constant transfers of wealth from the low and "middle"(lmao) classes to the rich over the last 25 years breeds criminals. The more society rots from within, the more criminals you'll see. It's a civic issue. It's a societal issue. It's unsustainable.
To wit, rising criminality-- if it even exists, which I'm wary to believe given how often settlers cry wolf about it-- will not change until the material conditions guiding our nation changes.
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As does condoning those like yourself.
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