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Were they actually breaking any law or did the government just decide it wanted to give them a beating?
Maybe a hot take but if you are breaking the law, you should still not receive a beating.
Before police attacks a crowd like that, they give a warning to stop whatever illegal activity the protesters are doing.
Agreed otherwise. Force should only be used if absolutely necessary.
The German state is incredibly repressive against solidarity for Palestine.
Is it? We had many peaceful demonstrations.
When it got problematic was when people on demonstrations shoutet that they wanted a kalifat (don't know how to write the word) and "from the river ...", because Hamas and other people interpret it differently.
It's not only happening on protests. People get exmatriculated or their visas revoked if they go to the wrong protest camp or post the wrong things on facebook. You can also get your citizenship denied if you have the wrong opinions on Iserael, since the IHRA is official stance of the state.
I think, this is a quite biased (at least not accurate) representation of what is happening.
You can probably find single examples of all of that above, e.g. for exmatriculation, but when you dig deeper, there are probably hurdles for that:
This "stance of the state" thing is not law. There were for sure public discussions about denying citizenship for people who oppose democracy or the right of Israel to exist. But let me be honest: If someone opposes democracy or freedom or thinks that Israel or any other country should be fully destroyed, I don't need such a person in my country. But if your opinion is that Netanyahu is an a-hole and that his far-right government buddies only want more war and death, no one will do anything with your citizenship because of that.
Here's an interview of a student about how the state tries to break the protests.
Exmatriculation might be quite rare. But the Staatsschutz telling the BAMF to revoke visas, based on Facebook posts most certainly is not. It's just not the kind of things you're gonna read in the SZ, or Welt.
Yes, because the German constitutional court wouldn't allow that kind of law. It is however a soft-power tool to shape political discourse in favour of Netanyahu.
I findeyour faith in the organs of the state a bit naive.You can check out yourself how these decisions not to grant citizenship are carried out. If you ask me: most of the questions the judge uses to determine whether or not someone is "opposing democracy" wouldn't get a correct answer from most Germans.
Tells me your brainwashed. You know the internet is free right, there's a boy younger than 10 being chased by 2 or 3 police men for having a Palestinian flag while he runs for his life and then is beaten. This "kalifat" bs you're talking about is just straight up lies
Do you have a source for that?
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/9/22/german-police-chase-and-detain-boy-at-pro-palestine-rally
https://www.newarab.com/news/children-young-7-arrested-german-police-gaza-demos
Zero context of course for the reason they went after him. Children can do crimes as well.
Where are the parents?
You will find anything on the WWW, if you just look for it. Whether it's a person with a rainbow flag, a woman, or a person of any religion getting beaten up. Just open Twitter and there you go...
What do you mean bs? It was a video in which people demanded a kalifat for Palestine and the others wanted one in Germany. I do not say that everyone thinks like this. I have only described what was the situation here, what went through the media and press and that that was interpreted as a no-go here in Germany.
I'm pretty sure that the people "demanding a Kalifat" won't be demonstrating on a women's march. O.o
Maybe, you misunderstood my comment:
I did not state that the kalifat shouts happened during the protest you saw in that video. That was months ago. And it was not a protest for women at all. The participants were even separated by gender, if I remember correctly.
But I'm not arguing for obvious islamists. I'm arguing that every Palestinian protest (even those on women's march) are suspicious for the German state.
Maybe because of what happened months ago with the kalifat stuff?
I'm honest with you... I haven't heard much about that kind of protest lately in Germany and don't have insider knowledge what parts of the state, the government or the 16 sub-governments might find suspicious or not.
Let's just agree that it'd be good for everyone, if the protesters managed (maybe, they already did, I don't know) eliminating the islamists out of their groups.
Nope, it's because of the "Staatsräson". Sudent protestors on German Unis most likely don't want anything to do with the kalifate.
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When reading how the police described what happened there....
Something like that never happens at an average pride parade. Why does it happen during Palestine related protests? If you are the police and experience that, I can imagine them trying to be more prepared the next time and expect the worst-case, just in case....
You're aware that the police is a biased participant in the conflict and you're not really arguing against my point, right?
Oh, but the protestor who uploaded a clip that did not show what happened before, is not biased??????
You only accepting the one side and one part of what happened there, makes you biased as well.
To be honest: I don't even know what your point is. Mine is: There is a bigger picture and we both haven't seen it.
Never said the proetestors aren't biased. There's no such thing as an unbiased perspective. I just wanted to make sure that you know that a police report should not be treated as a "factual" report (or copying one should not be counted as "journalism", as a slight tangent).
My original point was this (you could have looked it up - it's not gone):
How does the fact that the police admit that they arrest protestors for chanting slogans that criticize Israel refute my point in any way?
The truth is somewhere between. That's kind of obvious........
You won't get arrested for critizing Israel. That's not illegal here.
If you shout that Israel should be destroyed or that all Jews should ..., then you might get arrested, but that's not criticism.... You can replace the country or religion with any other... Hate speech is not tolerated in Germany and that's good.
You do run the risk of losing your visa, or getting deported, if you're not a German citizen. And you might get sued for relatively minor things, if the case is connected to palestine solidarity. Also, judges and prosecutors will judge you more harshly, due to the Bundestagsresolution.
Here's an article on the matter
My whole point is that criticism of Israel is equated to anisemitism. That's the whole deal behind the ISRHA definition.
No those are government and media lies to justify the violence. Germany supplies 30% of the weapons for the genocide in Palestine. They are next to the US the most repressive country.
German police have beaten up protesters holding Palestinian flags without any cause. Many examples have been posted in this community. Example from 4 months ago https://lemmy.world/post/21657306 (Direct link to the video: https://imgur.com/SWM4K8H)
I can show you dozens of videos of climate protesters being beaten up by the police and/or other people. Just cut out a few seconds and it fits your narrative... What does this tell us? That the police doen't belive in climate change? No. It tells you that there is a police problem like in pretty much any other country.
BTW: Is there an oppression ranking for Palestinians or are there accusations that Germany is rank 2 just a guess?
You are not missing context and there is no excuse to be made for that pig kicking a woman who has already been violently apprehended.
It went through the main media by the way: https://www.rbb24.de/politik/beitrag/2025/03/demonstrationen-palaestina-frauentag-berlin-kreuzberg-video-gewalt-polizei.html
I think, that kind of context is important, don't you? Cutting out stuff to fit a narrative is an instrument of populism.
Still doesn't make the police in the video look good, but something has obviously happened before and that something is not visible in that video. That's what I mean with "context"...
Yes yes, sure sure. As usual. Pro Palestine protesters were "violent* and there were no false flags or instigations. We have seen this one at many American universities.
The cops were clearly "defending themselves" against all those dangerous women by wildly flailing on their heads.
German mainstream media said so, it would never lie.
Holy cow. Have I written that it's OK to hurt someone? No.
I just think, it's wrong to act like Germany is some kind of dictatorship that systematically discriminates Palestinians. Furthermore, it's absolutely possible to have a normal protest for people from Gaza or against Netanyahu in our country. But if you and others really want to use that video as proof that there is systematic discrimination, I just don't think, that that's true at all.
Are we in the same post right now? Click the video above again.
After that watch the German foreign minister say Israel is allowed to kill Palestinian civilians
Can't find that quote in the source you shared.
I mean, you see the English translation in that video, if you watched it... It's clearly not what you wrote there... You are obviously overexaggerating. She says "can lose their civilian status" and "because terrorists abuse that", which requires them doing it. And before, she said, that "hiding behind schools leads us into difficult territory".
BTW: The video description does not quote here correctly. If I was you, I'd probably see this as bulletproof evidence that the news channel makes politics against one side...
If you interpret this aggregation of conjunctives as "Israel is allowed to kill Palestinian civilians", well... Please do us a favor and quote exactly what she says next time, instead of me having to look it up myself...
I think, this does not make sense to continue... I'm sorry that you think that my country collectively hates Palestinians and that it's impossible to protest for or against that kind of stuff and that this is some kind of repressive dictatorship. I already told you what I think about that.
No you are use using extremist terrorist logic. And I am quite worried that you are so radicalised. You are currently on ISIS levels of extremism, I am not exaggerating.
Let me help you understand how racist you are by swapping the subject and perpetrator:
Every single location attacked by Hamas on oct7 had many IDF soldiers present. Was Hamas justified in killing unarmed Israeli civilians because the civilians were near soldiers?
Very fake as most of the pro-palestinian propaganda here and in other websites.
Being in favor of having a Palestinian state implies that:
Israel needs to stop the hostilities but it is absurd that "pro-palestinian" are more and more blind and justify easily the atrocities that the radical Muslims do to their own people. Why do people not have critical thinking?
This is not a war to obtain the legal status of the State and being recognized by Israel, the place was owned and managed by Egypt, the same that has tunnels connected to Palestine, the same that did not accept any refugees, the same countries around Palestine that did not accept them, even Lebanon where Hezbollah is. This is a war that a terrorist group decided to do because of foreign investments from Muslims that are ideologically against any Jew to be alive, this is why they repressed all the protestors in Palestine ALL THE TIME.
Do you want to criticize Israel for their behavior? Be my guest, I agree and I am totally against any cruelty or anything that resembles oppression but if you think Hamas or any of them do it for freedom you have absolutely no idea what you are saying and you are naive.
Mohammad Tawhidi, Mosab Hassan Yousef and hundred of people said exactly this but westerns think they know Islam better than an Imam in Dubai or Saudi Arabia that says exactly how dangerous they are.
No one has mentioned solidarity for Hamas. You're the one who brought it up.
The above guy must be on some payroll. He appears in all of the posts defending genocide by Israel.
Call it by what it really is, genocide. Radical islam is empowered by genocidal maniacs that go and destroy people's families and livelihoods.
Lol you're a fucking joke, try harder hasbara
I don't know the context of the video.
But yes, covering your face on a demonstration is illegal and can lead to up to 1 year in jail.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermummungsverbot
Up to 1 year in jail and 20 punches to the face apparently...
How are you going to build a fascist database of enemies if the protestors cover their face?
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/berlin-polizei-ermittelt-in-mehr-als-30-faellen-nach-frauentag-demos-dpa.urn-newsml-dpa-com-20090101-250309-930-398564
"They are being investigated for particularly serious breach of the peace, liberation of prisoners, resisting law enforcement officers and using symbols of unconstitutional and terrorist organizations."[...]
"Seven officers were injured, but were able to continue their duties. Journalists were also attacked. 28 people were reportedly arrested." [...] "Participants also used umbrellas to block the view of a pro-Palestinian block. Some police officers were attacked with bottles, kicks and punches. Officers then “repeatedly used physical force”, it was reported."
Pretty sure nowadays in germany the palestanian flag basically counts as promoting a terrorist organization. So yeah they broke the law but the law is bullshit and still shouldnt allow the officers to exert physical violence.
You can fly the Palestinian flag just in Germany. Some slogans are typically illegal at protests like „from the river to the sea“ and a bunch of other stuff. Every protest gets its own extra rules, if deemed necessary. For example chants in Arabic might be forbidden because of incitement or hate speech in Arabic at related previous protests.