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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Someone's eventually going to initiate a vote on /0 governance to defederate (i know what i'm voting lol)

Must. Resist. Urge. To. Make. db0 account.

The block function should definitely be fixed, but when an instances admins are toxic and/or pushing propaganda/political agenda really, wide defederation is the only answer.

My concern is not of the people already here who a) already know of the Tankie Triad and b) makes an informed decision to block/not block based on that, but what kind of damage instances like hex and .ml can do to the wider Lemmy-verse rep on the outside. I don't want this budding place to become tainted with the stigma of being "That Tankie Place" or "Voat 2.0".

I've already come across a few comments out in the wild that Lemmy has a bunch of tankies, and it's depressing

[–] Draconic_NEO@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do it. I know I'd certainly vote to defederate Hexbear. If you do and decide to make a vote to defederate hexbear include lots of evidence so no one votes against it out of ignorance, only vocal people or those freeze peach types (I don't think there's many of those but I've seen them here on Lemmy).

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've got lots of evidence on .ml posted here, but I've really only been focusing on .ml, but perhaps I could sway people on "If this is the evidence I've been able to gather of .ml, and hex and grad are widely considered to be even worse then it's only logical to vote to defed from the entire Tankie Triad"

[–] Draconic_NEO@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago

ml might be a hard one to sell for people, if servers would defederate from ml that would be good but I think many servers right now are afraid of it backfiring like how Beehaw defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works and killed 90% of their interaction and 100% of their network effect overnight.

Of course I do think things are different now and if big servers defederated ML, ML would be the one to lose out, not the bigger servers. Only reason people still use the Bigger ML communities is because they continue to federate, if they weren't people would use the other ones on places like lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, lemm.ee, and programming.dev.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

Well i won't stop you ;) You'll probably get harassed to hell for it though. They're very toxic, and if i called the shots i would defederate; but the instance is democratic, and i'm not in the mood to deal with pandora's box πŸ˜„ I already have enough going on, i don't need my inbox blown up with insults along with it :)

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Must. Resist. Urge. To. Make. db0 account.

Do it. The only reason I'm posting from my shit account right now (I still like this place, don't worry) is because db0 is blocked at work for "PiRaCy" πŸ™„πŸ™„πŸ™„

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The only reason I’m posting from my shit account right now (I still like this place, don’t worry) is because db0 is blocked at work for β€œPiRaCy” πŸ™„πŸ™„πŸ™„

Nevermind, I guess IT decided to unblock it.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago

I'm surprised we got even noticed enough to be blocked in the first place.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i use ssh dynamic proxy back to my home "server" (a mid 2010's macbook running debian), and all IT sees is encrypted traffic to a bizarre domain.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ah haha, the IT/IS department at the last company I worked for saw right through that and nailed me to the wall for "unauthorized VPN usage" πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

(a mid 2010's macbook running debian)

Brave soul. My wife has a 2017 A1706 MBP.... We also have a 2009-ish MBP loaded with Linux Mint that the kids use for schoolwork.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

it's a pretty low-stakes business. i'm sure they don't care even if they see the traffic. the IT is outsourced, so i'm sure it's just a CYA contract.