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From my perspective in Canada, there’s nothing the US can do to unfuck this situation.
Let’s say folks unseated Comrade Spraytan somehow and reversed all of his policies. I would still never trust their country again with economic or security dependence in the way that much of the world has enabled in the status quo.
It was the American voters who selected this foolishness, not once but twice. They and their country will not be trusted for a generation or maybe longer. They threw away a very good thing for them because of abject greed, and now it’s gone forever.
As an American I know I will never look at America or other people the same way again. The last few months have opened me to ideas I never considered before and have completely changed how I view myself and even the people I used to trust. This is certainly the Gen Y/Z generation-wide trauma event. I'm not sure the AIDS epidemic was even this bad. Government negligence is one thing. This is complete disregard for the law.
I have news for you if you think the aids epidemic was negligent and not intentionally reckless because it was a "homosexual" disease.
And the problem isn’t Trump but rather the 30-40% that voted fir him
That 30-ish% (or more) of Americans like and support fascism is a real problem. Its been a real problem for... roughly all of human history that 1/3 of us are selfish monsters that lack empathy.
Trump stole the election. He announced he would, his lackeys did extensive voter suppression work, and then he bragged about doing it afterwards. He didn't win a fair election, and it's disgusting that the narratives have fully blown past that.
The wealthiest people on Earth believe that we're in an "end game" of some sort, and that now is the time to do everything in their considerable power to consolidate rule before the big collapse sets in. This isn't an America problem, it's a World Class War and the USA isnt even the first battlefield, just currently the most visible failure of the lower classes to fight back.
Out of ~250 million eligible voters (legally able, 18 or over, etc) roughly 32% voted for trump.
You may already be aware, but several groups have found "interesting" data that is very anomalous, and are beginning some lawsuits for recounts/larger audits (though it takes time).
I would very easily believe that Trump did, but I'm still going to need to see your source.
There's no way to have stolen the 2024 election that wouldn’t require thousands working in secret. He won because more voted for him than for Harris.
So are there thousands of trump cultists ruining america (by strategicaly placing themselves in positions of power like voting volunteers, judges, sheriffs, and so on) or not?
Are you suggesting 100 million people voted for Trump and then went home to celebrate but otherwise didn't do any fascist stuff? Didn't take over any PTA's to get books banned (documented) or take over any courts (some supreme ones even, perhaps) so that laws could be overturned and election decisions quickly made in Trump's favor?
Its a global class war the Australian Murdoch family is a huge reason Americans vote they way they do. Also it has bled into Canada. The freedom convoy and people like Lauren Southern are paid shills for foreign billionaires.
And Eastern European oligarchs and Middle Eastern oil tycoons who are bankrolling it. It's not an America thing lol
Not only an American thing. However it definitely is an American thing.
The Murdochs all have American citizenship and don’t live in Australia.
Literally only Rupert was born in Australia, all the others are from Britain and the US.
I guess dumping all your trash in America makes your spawn American. Must be nice to throw all your unwanted somewhere to take no responsibility for your countries poison people. if you send them elsewhere it's their problem now and you can claim you're not part of it while exporting your own toxic people.
Must be nice being a racist who thinks the immigrants and their children can’t be American.
My entire region voted for Kamala try again.
And yet you think Murdoch and his children who are all American citizens living in America aren’t American?
No. I can see cause and effect.
The cause is he got granted American citizenship, the effect is he is an American.
I need to hire you to summarize my lengthy pretentious blathering into a nice concise sentence. :)
Can we please stop with the mental gymnastics of 30% didn't vote 5% Tiger King and the rest got split between Harris and Trump?
The fact is that the majority of voters chose Trump, period. Now you guys need to get your shit together and fix this shitshow, but as others have said it already, the trust is gone.
Except they didn't. Trump received 49.8% of the vote. The actual fact is the majority of voters chose someone else, they just didn't agree enough on who that someone else should be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election
The point is Trump is not the only problem and the 40% or so that supports him also need addressing. The problem is hundreds of millions of people not just one or two.
What's your take then on the voter suppression all over the country enacted by state GOP officials? Check out Palast's investigations
Also the elections in every swing state are "interesting" aka not like any we've ever seen, according to ETA.
If they have proof then why arent they in court proving it?
They actively are. To run legal battles for recounts/audits in many different states is a ton of time, money, and manpower, so it's not like they can just do it overnight. Also they are building their case to ensure it's built on actual evidence, rather than Trump's lawsuits in 2020-21 that started with the conclusion and worked back to find something.
31%.
No the problem is ALL the about 75% that didn't vote against him.
They were fine with letting Trump win.
According to usnews.com (maybe not the most reputable source but),
Of those, who voted, 49.8% voted trump and 48.3% voted kamala.
That means 31.8% of eligible voters voted for trump, 30.912% voted for kamala, 0.012% voted other, and 36% didnt vote at all. That makes it ~~62-63%~~ 68% of eligible voters didnt vote against him.
Which isnt much better
That makes 69.1% that didn't vote against Trump.
Or in very rough rounded numbers.
About half voted, about half of those voted against Trump. = 75% that didn't.
It was never meant to be an accurate number, but a ballpark rounded number. From 75 to 69 is 6% inaccurate. Good enough for the point I was trying to make. And more accurate numbers dont change the point in any way.
The point is a vast majority is OK with having a flaming fascist sociopath as president.
There's a lot of money to be made by selling stuff to the US. I'll be surprised if Canadian companies and trading agreements didn't revert to their pre-Trump arrangements within a few years of him leaving office.
Oh, you misunderstand me.
Absolutely yes, people will continue to trade with the US after a few years. Hell, they are still doing it today!
What’s different is the level of dependence the rest of the world will enable in the future. Their special status no longer applies; and there is no trust they will be good actors in the future.
Long term cooperation will be built in anticipation of likely irrational and volatile behaviour. Something like the integrated North American auto industry or aligning with the US as primary defence contractor or intelligence, these mistakes will be not be repeated.
There will continue to be trade, but across the world a higher priority will be given to domestic production and alternative suppliers for critical products. For example Canada had been slowly retreating from our protectionist policies on dairy — but instead I expect these to now be strengthened. I expect to see a stronger push away from reliance on the US for military equipment, semiconductors, financial and digital services, and more.
Their special status is money, a productive economy, and a massive military. Trump may damage those attributes, but I suspect the US will generally retain them.
And other countries will line up to get access to that trough. Even if governments don't want to buddy up, the moneyed classes in those countries will agitate to get access to that market.
During COVID we said we were going to start producing our own vaccines, pharmaceuticals, and PPE. We said we would address the crisis in Canadian healthcare. In the three-ish years since the end of lockdowns, we've settled back into our pre-covid rut.
Post-Trump, it will be the same. As long as the US is a huge market, we'll eventually settle back into the NAFTA rut.
It’s not just money, it’s the realization that we are nothing to them. It’s the betrayal of seeing someone you thought was a friend stab you in the front without remorse.
So I do believe it is different this time. Perhaps history will reveal you to be correct — PP yipping about being “Americas best friend” indicates at some think the old status quo will return — but I don’t think so.
Will he ever leave office?
Also, Trump isn't the only reason all of this shit is going down. It's the entire Republican party. It's every ICE agent, it's the Supreme Court deciding a president is above the law, America is rotten to the core.
Richest country on the planet with plenty of land, many climates allowing a diverse range of crops, and various resources like oil and ores. And they've fucked it, just to get their hands on more and more dollars, to what purpose? Greedy fucks.
He's an old man. Either Americans will get rid of him, or he'll die of old age.
Is that new? The US has/had many great attributes, but they've never been as good as their PR pretends. Jim Crow, the Trail of Tears, Iraq, Vietnam, the CIA, etc.
I can't disagree.
Driven by racism and hate. Trumpsterfire gave them permission to act like themselves.
I’d throw in greed and ignorance into the mix but yes
A lot of people, Americans, didn't trust America before trump. America is getting played out and dragged across the ground by unholy people.
I heard someone say; Angels and Demons, I never knew you could see them.
It took time for me to understand the reality of that. Evil has humanity captured in its hand squeezing the life from its figurative body.
What's worse, ime, the same evil will use spirituality and uplifting talk to gather control of people while at the same time making moves behind the scene that are completely evil. The same way, it seems, that our government convinces people to lead simple lives directed by media and entertainment consumption, even politics, to the point that people wouldn't know how to live in honest reality if they tried. Real reality has been war. ...but everyone chose escapism and now look where we are.
No one wants to believe the heartlessness it will take, the heartlessness that good honest people will have to commit, all the while trying not to get addicted to the power that comes with heartlessness, to defeat what is going on.
America's already been dead and they are coming for the rest of you.
We have been at war for long time.
When you see evil with your own eyes you will probably understand that terms like the devil, evil, and unholy, are the most potent words that can describe them, regardless what your beliefs are.
They will do everything to uplift your life, just to tear it down and watch you suffer.
Something is going on, all the people that have dealt with gang stalking or corrupt government officials knows how dark it gets. Corruption is intertwined completely now into America and it can't be undone with law and politics.
This is an undeniable truth many people know but they either buckle and become one of them, go to jail when they snap from the torment brought to them by those that took advantage of them, or they kill themselves.
Evil reigns and people pay for it because it takes their mind off the truth. Ignorance is bliss and that bliss makes money and that money owns the world. You can buy governments with that money. And with stake in the government you can have soldiers fight battles for you regardless of authentic and genuine righteousness.
The class war.
Same as it ever was.
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This is how I see it as well. Its not about manufacturing either, you cant increase manufacturing during a recession when no one can afford anything and no one is willing to work low wages.