Oblivion Remasterd Deluxe Edition is reminding us all of the fall of gaming.
That ~~smile~~ horse armor. That damned ~~smile~~ horse armor.
this post was submitted on 22 Apr 2025
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all i needed to know was.. https://help.bethesda.net/#en/answer/69672
Are you implying by that that mods are being prevented from operating? The second line implies the opposite .. "If you are experiencing gameplay issues while playing with mods, it's recommended you first try uninstalling your mods"
'Supported' could means that Bethesda will basically ignore any problem reports or support requests whilst mods (which are completely out of their control) are installed - seems reasonable to me.
This. When have developers actually put in support for mods, except for paid bullshit like the content store?
BG3 has a built in mod manager and (free) mod library.
I mean, every previous ES game has had the modloader as part of the launcher, allowing you to enable or disable mods as well as change their load order from there directly.
What? I remember always remember having to use an external mod manager for ES games to work with load order. I’m pretty sure Skyrim didn’t have that at launch because I required the mod manager when I first started modding it. But steam workshop wasn’t even much of a thing then
I'm pretty sure Skyrim didn't get official mod support on the main menu until 2017 with Creation Club.
Literally the "data" option on the launcher for Morrowind, the OG Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fallout: NV, and Skyrim... The order can also be manually adjusted by just moving the loaded files higher or lower on the screen (or manually editing the ini file that controls load order).
Only FO4 and Starfield are missing this, opting instead to have the Creation Store UI replacing it with such poor implementation I haven't been able to manually install mods on either. They're the only two I absolutely need a mod manager to manage my mods with.
What the other dude said
Nope, only Morrowind. Arena and Daggerfall had no mod support at all, nor was a construction set delivered with them.
Says mods are not supported, but then goes on to suggesting you uninstall mods if you're experiencing an issue with them.
Sounds less like the game itself can't be modded, and more like they can't provide support for issues stemming from mods. Which has literally always been the case.
Wtf happened to bethesda
Who will make the game then ? It’s like firing their entire dev team
Todd
Or in german: Tod
Mods are not supported "officially" but check NexusMods and then get back with me
THEIR BREAKING THE EULA!? TODD! TODD THEY DIDN'T READ THE EULA!!!
But no game officially supports mods, at first. Like 99% of mods for games are made without the developer’s assistance or blessing. That’s part of being a mod developer, figuring out how to do shit. I honestly want developer’s hands off of the community
That's absolutely not true anymore. Many games support mods now, and Steam Workshop is a thing.
Steam workshop isn’t mod support. It’s a place to get mods. Mods work without developer support, always have, always will.
If no game officially supports mods, why would an entire SDK to implement them exist?? Loads of games officially support mods through Steam Workshop alone.
That's not what supporting means in this context.
It means that the devs made the game so mods could be used with it instead of modders needing to find exploits to make mods work.
There's a semantic difference between "supporting mods" and "provide support for modded installations". The former is fairly common and is what steam workshop is about and is what you are talking about.
The latter is basically unheard of (for what I hope are obvious reasons).
The OP is a bit ambiguous about which of the two or is.
OP is only ambiguous because you don't understand what 'supporting' means in this context. Supporting mods has never meant providing customer support to make them work.
It's always meant that modders didn't have to find exploits to change the game.
This is definitely untrue and the reason some games have 18,000 mods and some games have 0 is almost entirely down to developer cooperation.
Sometimes if a game is using an existing engine that is known to be moddable, you can get a community built off of some pre-existing knowledge and kind of strike out on your own to build a mod. In most cases if the devs didn't build the game with mod support in mind you're not getting any mods.
I'm fairly sure Bethesda released Skyrim, Oblivion, and Morrowind with officially supported mod toolkits shipping on day one. The reason their games have official mod tools is to make it much easier to work with which leads to the huge number of mods in their games compared to other games, and contributes to the longevity of their games.
I recall there being a period before a mod toolkit where sanic, bonesaw dragons, and alternative mudcrabs were all that was on tap. Like 4, 5 months of “bonesaw is ready” feels right.
If it was then you would get steam achievements with them, like stardew.
Ah, so it's going to flop hard, at least by Beth standards
They scared a lot of us away with Shitfield, if I can't fix it with mods then I'm not gonna bother even pirating that shite
Starfield? Try Fallout 76.
Hell, Fallout 4 was still not a great game, but at least it was functional and had a story. As soon as they announced that there was zero NPCs in Fallout 76, I knew that they COMPLETELY lost the plot, and the point of any of their previous RPGs.
Why in the world would they shoot themselves in the foot like that?
Because they don't make money from mods and this was an obvious cash grab from the beginning. If Bethesda had any good ideas they'd be making a game out of them. They don't, so instead they're reselling you the same game they already sold you 19 years ago with a fresh coat of paint on it. A million people will buy it anyway because nostalgia, Bethesda gets their money, and whatever happens afterward is not their concern.
I saw a rumour that somehow they're building Unreal Engine 5 for graphics on top of the old Gamebryo engine the original release used so they can keep the original game logic.
Made in unreal engine so fewer bugs, in the very least.
Edit: I was wrong. Infinite leveling, duplication, and teleportation are still on the menu.
Nope! AFAIK Unreal is only used for rendering, not logic. So you'll get the bugs from Bethesdas engine with the performance of Unreal 5.
Unreal Engine is all I need to know to avoid a game.
What’s wrong with UE? It’s relatively stable, albeit with major processing inefficiencies. It’s no fox engine, but it’s undeniably acceptable compared to Bethesda’s 20 year old treehouse made of tape and glue. Is there some spyware bundled in, or something?
If using the default setup of UE (deferred rendering), it results in a shimmering/noisy mess without TAA and TAA introduces a shit ton of blur, so the games end up looking like you have vaseline on your monitor. UE games can still look good if devs use forward rendering, but it requires a bit more work and not using the default setup so they can use MSAA instead. Unlikely in bigger games because they want to make them very quick.
I still can’t believe how good fox engine is
was
Discontinued like 10 years ago after only like 9 games, mostly soccer
Oh that's sad :(
I only knew it ror MGSV and was astonished at how well it ran on a potato
I mean, this game has beautiful realistic graphics on a steam deck and I can get 2h of gameplay out of it
I blame Japanese monetary racism. They’ll take one yen over a hundred dollars, always. Konami had a printing press ready, and instead poured gasoline on it. Who knows what things would look like, had Konami licensed the fox engine out like the unreal engine.
???
What's even the point, then?
$$$