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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 37 points 3 days ago (3 children)

the funniest part is that's not even what socialism is.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

"Socialism is when government does stuff like laws and currency."

[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

"Socialism is when they take some gold from the dragon"

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago

really? i though it was when no iphone. (and sometimes vuvuzela)

[–] lightrush@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Well, it's not socialism but universal healthcare is a socialist policy and it has been won by various reformist socialist parties in most western countries.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

some western countries usually can have such vast welfare state within capitalism because they are still extracting value from their colonies.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ireland, Poland, Malta, Denmark, Austria, Finland, Sweden, Andorra, Luxembourg and Norway don't have colonies. And the first three used to be colonies.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

some of those you mention engage in imperialism on their neocolonies.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Of course someone from .ml would repeat the same buzzwords without thought.

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I know. I came from a post-colonial/neocolonial country. But to treat all Western countries as monolith is utterly ridiculous. It is ironically being racist to dismiss white former colonies as neocolonialist like Poland, Ireland and Malta just because they arw white, isn't? Frankly, the MLs patronise the global south as if they have no agency in the same way as neoliberal imperialists do. Ask Filipinos and Indians on what they think of CPP-NPA and Naxalites, respectively. MLs would actually get more respect and taken seriously if they aren't being hypocritical like the neoliberals. ML is just another form of tyranny with a different mask.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

of course someone from .world decides to be completely ignorant.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

very sure, thanks.

[–] lightrush@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You must be new to dealing with MLs. Nothing "uncalled for" for calling out MLs that keep harping about social democratic countries having neocolonies, when literally these countries have none and some of these countries even used to be colonies.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

imperialism doesn't exist! its a figment of "ML" imagination.

please get a grip on reality, nevermind we are on an entire thread about it. (and leave my fucking country for once)

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You probably won't see many Norwegians or Swedes in your country. You're just racist.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

ahahahahahahha yeah, because they are grossed out by my country. their presence here is limited to extractivism and destroying our natural reserves.

one step closer to the "white genocide" fascists. keep up and you will get there i'm sure.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And I am sure that ML presence in former Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, Poland Slovenia, India, Afghanistan, Philippines, Sri Lanka and Ethiopia are not "extractive" for you.

"Of course not, they're my crowd! It's only bad if we're not the ones doing it!"

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

what??? afghanistan was literally just sucked dry by the us empire. philippines? india? holy shit i wish there were MLs with enough power to "extract" anything in these places, where are you even getting your news from?

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And who were in Afghanistan before the US came?

Ask Filipinos and Indians what they think of CPP-NPA and Naxalite respectively.

You should ask yourself if your head is out of the sand to even actually get news from post-colonial people themselves disrupted by ML activities.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

maybe it was socialism's fault for the us destabilization of the region.

😮‍💨

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I won't listen to the lived experience of any of those who suffered from communism because I want to act holier-than-thou.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

you are literally doubling down on blaming communists for all the suffering caused by the colonial powers. please practice what you preach and shut up to go talk to a modern indian communist right now. learn what it even is.

i should have noticed you are not serious when you blamed leftists for afghanistan. imma bail right now, have a nice day and please educate yourself so you stop sounding so fascist.

[–] lightrush@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are you familiar with the process of unequal exchange? It doesn't require to have or to have had colonies and it doesn't preclude former colonies from engaging in it. It doesn't even require a particular country gov't policy.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I am aware, but the countries i mentioned do not engage in neocolonialism/neoimperialism if that is what you are implying.

Can you not see them describing the government doing stuff?