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[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 71 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The building was on fire, and it wasn't my fault.

Blood Rites, book 6 of The Dresden Files

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Creepy weirdo that writes copaganda but damned if that sequence doesn't slap.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Doesn't Dresden frequently have problems with the cops?

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But there's like 2 good cops, so it must be copaganda.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, the action happens in Chicago. And there's a special investigations unit that's not very respected as far as I can remember(it's a sort of dead end job that nobody wants) that he deals with and there's a couple of good cops and a couple of bad cops there. For all the rest, the books keep mentioning how he doesn't trust other cops, how many of them are in the pockets of mobsters and other villains, etc. There's even corrupt fbi agents as antagonists in the second book.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Which is a very American mindset that is built upon our sense of "freedom".

The bad guy is a bad cop. Bad cops exist. But the cavalry (in this case, Murphy and her partner and Butters and Michael and so forth) are the good cops. Because, when the chips are down, the real heroic cops come to help.

It is much more prevalent in military fiction because... ACAB is a common phrase for a reason. One of the best examples is the Bradley Cooper A-Team movie (also a really fun movie). On its surface? The villain is a rogue CIA officer (also maybe a rogue general? Been a minute). But throughout the entire movie we have the titular team regularly talk about how much they learned in the military and Rocket Raccoon can't help but want to bang the hell out of the good military cop who both wants to capture them AND wants to know the truth. And, when the chips are down, she is there to save the day.

Its one of those things you don't pick up on until you do a lot of reading... or think about why The Military is so willing to allow the use of men and material in filming. If they weren't okay with the idea of a rogue officer then they would have refused the use of IFVs and so forth. PLENTY of movies end up stuck using stock footage because of that.

But no. It is very much the extension of "a few bad apples don't ruin the bunch" that is used to handwave evil shit that cops (and the military) does.

Butcher isn't the only writer who does that shit. But it is one of those things where "So... does he realize he is doing it?" up until the "cops are the light in the darkness" wank fest during The Battle of Chicago (I forgot which book).


It is up to you whether you care or not. I semi-recently rambled about/glazed a movie that I outright consider CCP propaganda that stars "The Tom Cruise of Hong Kong". And... I will watch basically any Donnie Yen movie because he is just that charismatic and physically magnificent. But I also make it a point to think through WHY specific roles were chosen or specific dialogue was spoken even as I am cheering on him fighting his way out of essentially a favela.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I would say, up until the hiatus, it was very much the "Not All Cops Are Bastards" kind of work. Murphy (who was apparently the insert of Butcher's now ex-wife) is obvious but even her partner mostly is just "guilty" of thinking this weird PI who knows things he shouldn't and is constantly seen talking with criminals might not be on the up and up. Same with Morgan (? Harry's magic parole officer) who mostly was just depicted as so focused on justice and the danger of black magic that he didn't trust the guy who had previously used black magic and who is canonically going to go REAL fucking dark later.

And Michael et al are VERY cop adjacent.

But things really shifted once Harry became a magic cop himself. The "I am opposed to authority but damn if I don't look good with a badge" kind of story.

Then we had the hiatus and came back to The Battle of Chicago where Butcher spent a full chapter worshiping cops and talking about how they are the literal light in the darkness.

Which is pretty consistent with a lot of copaganda (also military propaganda). The idea that there are bad eggs but by and large they are great and here is this godlike human being that also happens to be a cop. Think "Dirty Harry" or a LOT of Donnie Yen movies.

Contrast that with someone like a Richard Kadrey who makes it an entire plot point that one of the big bads is a cop who is literally protected by police unions and qualified immunity (also there is zero chance that Richard Kadrey doesn't have hundreds of pages of very explicit Sonic OC fan fiction. And I say that as a compliment).


And on the "weirdo" note: Let's just say it is a very open secret who Lara Raithe is "inspired by". Although many women in the publishing and convention organizing community have stories of being compared to her... And everyone tries not to think too hard who Molly (Harry's best friend's daughter that he knew almost her entire life who just can't stop throwing her tight naked body at Harry...) is.

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Who inspired Lara ? Tried to look it up but I can't find anything.

[–] AEsheron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Damn, I really don't have an original thought in my head

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The more we communicate in memes and pop culture references, the closer we get to going full Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Di'caprio, his finger pointing

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Redford, when the mountain man nodded