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[-] stewie3128@lemmy.ml 28 points 11 months ago

Putting Zimmer anywhere near the same league as Williams is grotesque.

Zimmer writes a medley, then has an army of underpaid and under-credited orchestrators write 95% of the film. He couldn't orchestrate his way out of a paper bag.

His primary skill is pushing the "every instrument on every note" button on his Project Sam VI and then adding an additional 6 french horns, 6 trombones, and probably a pipe organ.

Can you recall a single melody from Oppenheimer? It's all just environmental boom and brass shit, with strings that might as well be synth. Can you recall a melody from Inception? Nope, just BWAAAAH.

There's a reason all of his legitimately musical scores in the last 25 years are co-written with another composer. Batman films, The Rock, Gladiator, etc. He musically peaked as a solo composer with Backdraft, imo.

Williams, on the other hand, employees orchestrators solely because he is required by union rules to have an orchestrator. His short-scores (the blueprints that orchestrators work from) are UNBELIEVABLY detailed.

Williams went to Juilliard. Zimmer took two weeks of piano lessons and was in a band.

And no one, NO ONE, has written the number of iconic melodies and scores that Williams has. Star Wars wouldn't be Star Wars without that score... Mark Hammil has said that John Williams is more responsible for the success of Start Wars than anyone other than George Lucas.

Jurassic Park wouldn't be JP without his score.

ET. Superman. Indiana Jones. Harry Potter. You can hear the music to these films in your head right now.

Or, you can listen to Hans Zimmer in your head now too: BWAAAAH.

I'll leave you with one thought: A few months ago, my Uber driver was a former orchestrator for Zimmer at RC. He hated it and quit. Re-read those two sentences.

[-] tiny_electron@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 months ago

Zimmer did not make Oppenheimer score, Ludwig Goransson did.

[-] TheFonz@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago
[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 5 points 11 months ago

A lot of elitism and gatekeeping here and not much else.

[-] sebinspace@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I think the point is that you’re allowed to like a thing as long as you’re not blindly so.

I love Sword Art Online.

I’m also very aware that Sword Art Online is a complete dumpster fire.

[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago

I would agree with you except:

Putting Zimmer anywhere near Williams is grotesque.

[-] sebinspace@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah I’m not gonna defend that one, that’s on OP

[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago

Lol I agree with you.

[-] SHOW_ME_YOUR_ASSHOLE@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

I haven't followed either's career particularly closely but I like a lot of stuff from both artists. The Imperial March from Star Wars and the dancing scene from MI:2 "Nyah" are some of my favorite songs from movies.

I don't know much about Zimmer from beyond his Wikipedia page but I did find this quote (from Wikipedia) regarding his stance on crediting the other musicians who help with the collaborative nature of modern production.

Originally I had this idea that it should be possible to create some kind of community around this kind of work, and I think by muddying the titles – not having "you are the composer, you are the arranger, you are the orchestrator" – it just sort of helped us to work more collaboratively. It wasn't that important to me that I had "score by Hans Zimmer" and took sole credit on these things. It's like Gladiator: I gave Lisa Gerrard the co-credit because, even though she didn't write the main theme, her presence and contributions were very influential. She was more than just a soloist, and this is why I have such a problem with specific credits.

Does he say one thing and act another way behind the scenes?

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

You have a point, but Zimmer does have some bangers like Discombobulate or the Cornfield Chase

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