I mean, I'm not a movie connoisseur or anything, but if the Nolan films I've seen are any indication, he absolutely ordered extra fire with his piano.
For Interstellar Nolan didn't want to give the full details at the start and just told him to create something that would go along with the story of a father and a daughter. Zimmer's like check this shit out and church organs the fuck outta that assignment.
iirc he told Zimmer he needed a spacey track for a father and son cuz he didn't want some gender role shit to fuck with any music-writing decisions.
Putting Zimmer anywhere near the same league as Williams is grotesque.
Zimmer writes a medley, then has an army of underpaid and under-credited orchestrators write 95% of the film. He couldn't orchestrate his way out of a paper bag.
His primary skill is pushing the "every instrument on every note" button on his Project Sam VI and then adding an additional 6 french horns, 6 trombones, and probably a pipe organ.
Can you recall a single melody from Oppenheimer? It's all just environmental boom and brass shit, with strings that might as well be synth. Can you recall a melody from Inception? Nope, just BWAAAAH.
There's a reason all of his legitimately musical scores in the last 25 years are co-written with another composer. Batman films, The Rock, Gladiator, etc. He musically peaked as a solo composer with Backdraft, imo.
Williams, on the other hand, employees orchestrators solely because he is required by union rules to have an orchestrator. His short-scores (the blueprints that orchestrators work from) are UNBELIEVABLY detailed.
Williams went to Juilliard. Zimmer took two weeks of piano lessons and was in a band.
And no one, NO ONE, has written the number of iconic melodies and scores that Williams has. Star Wars wouldn't be Star Wars without that score... Mark Hammil has said that John Williams is more responsible for the success of Start Wars than anyone other than George Lucas.
Jurassic Park wouldn't be JP without his score.
ET. Superman. Indiana Jones. Harry Potter. You can hear the music to these films in your head right now.
Or, you can listen to Hans Zimmer in your head now too: BWAAAAH.
I'll leave you with one thought: A few months ago, my Uber driver was a former orchestrator for Zimmer at RC. He hated it and quit. Re-read those two sentences.
Zimmer did not make Oppenheimer score, Ludwig Goransson did.
This is bait
A lot of elitism and gatekeeping here and not much else.
I think the point is that you’re allowed to like a thing as long as you’re not blindly so.
I love Sword Art Online.
I’m also very aware that Sword Art Online is a complete dumpster fire.
I would agree with you except:
Putting Zimmer anywhere near Williams is grotesque.
Yeah I’m not gonna defend that one, that’s on OP
Lol I agree with you.
I haven't followed either's career particularly closely but I like a lot of stuff from both artists. The Imperial March from Star Wars and the dancing scene from MI:2 "Nyah" are some of my favorite songs from movies.
I don't know much about Zimmer from beyond his Wikipedia page but I did find this quote (from Wikipedia) regarding his stance on crediting the other musicians who help with the collaborative nature of modern production.
Originally I had this idea that it should be possible to create some kind of community around this kind of work, and I think by muddying the titles – not having "you are the composer, you are the arranger, you are the orchestrator" – it just sort of helped us to work more collaboratively. It wasn't that important to me that I had "score by Hans Zimmer" and took sole credit on these things. It's like Gladiator: I gave Lisa Gerrard the co-credit because, even though she didn't write the main theme, her presence and contributions were very influential. She was more than just a soloist, and this is why I have such a problem with specific credits.
Does he say one thing and act another way behind the scenes?
You have a point, but Zimmer does have some bangers like Discombobulate or the Cornfield Chase
I wrote my thesis in film music. One main conclusion I came up with: there are rather classical trained composers and rather "pop music" composers. E.g. the latter one need many orchestrators for the score, the "classical trained" ones orchestrate on their own. To me the popish ones might be able to have good ideas, whereas the classic ones do have such ideas as well and be able to know exactly how to craft those ideas as well.
Zimmer is a popish one, while Williams a classic one.
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He did Tenet, right? Absolute killer of a soundtrack
He sure did, and holy shit what a soundtrack. He also just did Oppenheimer, proving he can be subtle when he needs to
"Continuing the tradition of John Williams?" Dude had an Oscar by '87, I'd almost consider him a contemporary of John Williams. John Williams is more subtle though, where Hans Zimmer hits you in the face with a hammer
John Williams is 25 years - an entire generation - older though. And some of William's most famous scores (Superman, Star Wars, etc) don't hit you in the face with a hammer they drop the entire hardware store on you.
Also the same hammer over and over.
Almost like it's their job to make good soundtracks 🤔
I first noticed Zimmer while watching Blackhawk Down. Awesome stuff. There's room in the world to love him AND Williams.
I have masterclass and will often put on Hams Zimmer lessons when headed to sleep. His voice is as fire as his music.
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