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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago

Suddenly, climate change isn't so much of an urgent issue? Nor abortion? Nor gay rights?

I'm not happy with what's going on nor what Biden's doing, but there's too many people I care about who will get hurt if Trump wins. And I'm not so selfish as to keep my ideals pure.

Life sucks. If you don't vote for Biden, more Palestinians will die than would otherwise. Is that fucked up? Yeah. Vote for him anyway. The world is cruel, and gives us cruel choices. All we can do is make the best of things.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

TBF while not voting for Biden is a very bad move, I can understand making a literal genocide your single issue.

[-] ours@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Are people expecting Trump to have handled this situation any better?

The dude systematically kisses up autocratic strongmen and people expect him to have a balanced, mediating, tempering approach to this situation?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Nope, but there are people who will just not vote. I'm not saying it's right, but Biden's willingness to be accomplice to genocide is damaging many people's faith in the democratic process. Hopefully they vote for Bernie in the primaries instead of just being mad about it on the internet.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

No, but the choice is hastening the inevitable collapse of the failed american state.

or desperately spending years panicking and frantically adding seconds to the slowly ticking detonator.

and I can understand why people are getting sick of the second one and just saying fuck it and embrace chaos and the end.

[-] guacupado@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

and I can understand why people are getting sick of the second one and just saying fuck it and embrace chaos and the end.

This is a juvenile view.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Being fed up with constantly struggling to keep the doomsday clock one second from midnight so it doesnt finally tick over is hardly juvenile.

You'll understand when you grow up.

[-] Aabbcc@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Or the democrats could listen to voters and run a better candidate????

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

The Democrats did listen to the voters, that's what the primary process was, Biden won the most votes.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

You obviously weren't paying attention in the last few primaries if you think voters have a voice in that process.

[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Whatever you are referring to, could be avoided if there was more people voting primaries and local elections. Twice as many people voted for Biden than for Sanders and Warren combined, and the combined number of votes was about 30 mil. In contrast, 80 mil voted dem in generals. 50 million people ignored primaries.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do you wanna talk about super delegates and how they were "casting" their votes early in order to shape game theory voting? Is that how democracy is supposed to work in your mind?

[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

No, I don't really want to talk about it, because we were talking about how 50 million people just straight up didn't show up. When two thirds of your voting base just have no idea how the system works and don't do bare minimum to participate, all that stuff you're talking about is irrelevant. If people participate, it gets way harder to do all the tricks. So, I guess, the simplest of the tricks is to convince everyone that the system doesn't work and they should just sit at home since it's rigged anyway.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

You don't even understand that the number of voters doesn't matter when delegate numbers don't change, it the same thing as the electoral college.

But you don't want to talk about that for some reason?

[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

None of that is set in stone, not even in constitution, it's just a procedure they have. The number of delegates, the process itself, the way votes are counted can be changed at any point.
Obviously nobody will ever think of changing anything while most of the voters don't give a shit about it. If the popular vote will be different from what delegates want to vote for, you will have a case. Last primaries, popular vote showed that Biden is twice more popular than all the other candidates combined, and all that stories about delegates doing whatever is irrelevant, since the result matches popular vote. And all your "well, they're lying so I don't play their games" shtick is irrelevant either. You did nothing and you're all out of ideas.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Y'all will throw any excuse in the book before you admit you didn't turn out for him.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

You think a person commenting in a political thread is the issue? The issue is the people so disillusioned from the lack of representation that they have completely checked out. You're part of the problem if you then blame them for their apathy instead of understanding why it's there in the first place. You can't address an issue if you fail to acknowledge the problem.

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