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Young Activists to Biden: Change Course on Gaza — or Lose in 2024
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Suddenly, climate change isn't so much of an urgent issue? Nor abortion? Nor gay rights?
I'm not happy with what's going on nor what Biden's doing, but there's too many people I care about who will get hurt if Trump wins. And I'm not so selfish as to keep my ideals pure.
Life sucks. If you don't vote for Biden, more Palestinians will die than would otherwise. Is that fucked up? Yeah. Vote for him anyway. The world is cruel, and gives us cruel choices. All we can do is make the best of things.
TBF while not voting for Biden is a very bad move, I can understand making a literal genocide your single issue.
Are people expecting Trump to have handled this situation any better?
The dude systematically kisses up autocratic strongmen and people expect him to have a balanced, mediating, tempering approach to this situation?
Nope, but there are people who will just not vote. I'm not saying it's right, but Biden's willingness to be accomplice to genocide is damaging many people's faith in the democratic process. Hopefully they vote for Bernie in the primaries instead of just being mad about it on the internet.
What? He's what of the few US senators who demanded the US push for a ceasefire.
He literally stated just yesterday that he doesn't believe a ceasefire is possible with "Hamas".
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/05/politics/sanders/index.html
You should read the whole thing.
Edit: He also said this:
Saying you doubt one will happen isn't the same as saying you don't want one to happen.
Source? Last video I watched he was giving the "I don't see the point of a ceasefire" line.
Don't confuse "humanitarian pause" with "ceasefire", they're completely different - "humanitarian pause" means a few hours/days off, and then starting it right back up.
He said he can't see a permanent ceasefire holding up with Hamas, not that he doesn't see the point of a ceasefire. He said this later:
Honestly, I saw his most recent interview, he was supporting the continuation of hostilities (urging restraint and all that) until Hamas was removed. Then I watched the hour long Norman Finkelstein response to it, going over his premises in excruciating detail - https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2023/11/06/18860126.php I don't think your portrayal of his statements is accurate.
No, but the choice is hastening the inevitable collapse of the failed american state.
or desperately spending years panicking and frantically adding seconds to the slowly ticking detonator.
and I can understand why people are getting sick of the second one and just saying fuck it and embrace chaos and the end.
This is a juvenile view.
Being fed up with constantly struggling to keep the doomsday clock one second from midnight so it doesnt finally tick over is hardly juvenile.
You'll understand when you grow up.
Good thing that's not what I said.
Or the democrats could listen to voters and run a better candidate????
The Democrats did listen to the voters, that's what the primary process was, Biden won the most votes.
You obviously weren't paying attention in the last few primaries if you think voters have a voice in that process.
Whatever you are referring to, could be avoided if there was more people voting primaries and local elections. Twice as many people voted for Biden than for Sanders and Warren combined, and the combined number of votes was about 30 mil. In contrast, 80 mil voted dem in generals. 50 million people ignored primaries.
Do you wanna talk about super delegates and how they were "casting" their votes early in order to shape game theory voting? Is that how democracy is supposed to work in your mind?
No, I don't really want to talk about it, because we were talking about how 50 million people just straight up didn't show up. When two thirds of your voting base just have no idea how the system works and don't do bare minimum to participate, all that stuff you're talking about is irrelevant. If people participate, it gets way harder to do all the tricks. So, I guess, the simplest of the tricks is to convince everyone that the system doesn't work and they should just sit at home since it's rigged anyway.
You don't even understand that the number of voters doesn't matter when delegate numbers don't change, it the same thing as the electoral college.
But you don't want to talk about that for some reason?
None of that is set in stone, not even in constitution, it's just a procedure they have. The number of delegates, the process itself, the way votes are counted can be changed at any point.
Obviously nobody will ever think of changing anything while most of the voters don't give a shit about it. If the popular vote will be different from what delegates want to vote for, you will have a case. Last primaries, popular vote showed that Biden is twice more popular than all the other candidates combined, and all that stories about delegates doing whatever is irrelevant, since the result matches popular vote. And all your "well, they're lying so I don't play their games" shtick is irrelevant either. You did nothing and you're all out of ideas.
Y'all will throw any excuse in the book before you admit you didn't turn out for him.
You think a person commenting in a political thread is the issue? The issue is the people so disillusioned from the lack of representation that they have completely checked out. You're part of the problem if you then blame them for their apathy instead of understanding why it's there in the first place. You can't address an issue if you fail to acknowledge the problem.
They did, Hillary won the most votes because y'all didn't turn out even for the guy you want us to believe you supported so much.
Well we definitely tried it your way and didn't get any of that shit now did we?
Or how about, "even if she wouldn't have given us those things, she definitely wouldn't have given us the Dobbs court you stuck up privileged whitesplaining twat."
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Isn’t he the President now ? He should do something about the Palestinian deaths now .
You're missing the point. Do you think a president with an R next to their name would be any less of a bloodthirsty moron? So now it's not only "they're bombing Palestine" but also all the other human rights violating shit that happens under a Republican president here at home.
Yes Biden should stop absolutely supporting the genocide, but threatening to replace him with literally the same plus LGBTQ+ discrimination, immigration fear mongering, more destruction of reproductive rights, etc. is certainly not a sane reaction.
That's a pretty good reason why he can't literally do something right this fucking minute.
You’re so focused on the future, you’re not dealing with the present. It’s not difficult to the right thing.
If it's so not difficult then why are you fighting so hard to not acknowledge what'll happen if he loses?
I can’t see the future. Biden might expire. Trump may not be the nominee. The future is uncertain. But the war is happening now.
And my rights are on the line right now too. What sort of privilege you on when a Palestinian American here in the US has to explain to you why the guy who thinks all Arabs should be deported should be voted against.
You are bordering on bullying and intimidation. Leave me alone.