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[-] Aabbcc@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Or the democrats could listen to voters and run a better candidate????

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

The Democrats did listen to the voters, that's what the primary process was, Biden won the most votes.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

You obviously weren't paying attention in the last few primaries if you think voters have a voice in that process.

[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Whatever you are referring to, could be avoided if there was more people voting primaries and local elections. Twice as many people voted for Biden than for Sanders and Warren combined, and the combined number of votes was about 30 mil. In contrast, 80 mil voted dem in generals. 50 million people ignored primaries.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do you wanna talk about super delegates and how they were "casting" their votes early in order to shape game theory voting? Is that how democracy is supposed to work in your mind?

[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

No, I don't really want to talk about it, because we were talking about how 50 million people just straight up didn't show up. When two thirds of your voting base just have no idea how the system works and don't do bare minimum to participate, all that stuff you're talking about is irrelevant. If people participate, it gets way harder to do all the tricks. So, I guess, the simplest of the tricks is to convince everyone that the system doesn't work and they should just sit at home since it's rigged anyway.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

You don't even understand that the number of voters doesn't matter when delegate numbers don't change, it the same thing as the electoral college.

But you don't want to talk about that for some reason?

[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

None of that is set in stone, not even in constitution, it's just a procedure they have. The number of delegates, the process itself, the way votes are counted can be changed at any point.
Obviously nobody will ever think of changing anything while most of the voters don't give a shit about it. If the popular vote will be different from what delegates want to vote for, you will have a case. Last primaries, popular vote showed that Biden is twice more popular than all the other candidates combined, and all that stories about delegates doing whatever is irrelevant, since the result matches popular vote. And all your "well, they're lying so I don't play their games" shtick is irrelevant either. You did nothing and you're all out of ideas.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Y'all will throw any excuse in the book before you admit you didn't turn out for him.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

You think a person commenting in a political thread is the issue? The issue is the people so disillusioned from the lack of representation that they have completely checked out. You're part of the problem if you then blame them for their apathy instead of understanding why it's there in the first place. You can't address an issue if you fail to acknowledge the problem.

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