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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 143 points 1 year ago

They think Trump is BETTER on Gaza?

Mr. "Nobody has done more for the Jewish people than me"?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/us/politics/trump-gaza-refugees-travel-ban.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-pledges-expel-immigrants-who-support-hamas-ban-muslims-us-2023-10-16/

If Gaza is your single issue in '24 there's NOBODY to vote for.

[-] Wahots@pawb.social 77 points 1 year ago

Don't be a single issue voter either. Shit is too important to throw away your most valuable resource to combat climate change, ensure world peace, fund science and medical research, and equal rights for everyone.

Vote like your life depends on it. Because it does. Federal and local elections. It's very important everyone vote.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago

Young people not voting is very, very bad for Biden though.

[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Young people not voting is explicitly voting for a christofascist though.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago
[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

In every voting system, not voting is equivalent to a vote for the worst option.

That’s how democracy in general works. Even with ranked choice voting, if someone only puts candidate A as their choice because they disagree with everyone else, then their vote doesn’t count if candidate A is eliminated in the first round.

Not voting at all just lowers the threshold needed to win.

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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

And not voting is just selfish. Trump's policies would kill more Palestinians, and we'd go decades back on climate change. The purity of one's ideals isn't worth more than that.

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[-] quicksand@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

I'm sure they don't, but they're saying Biden's decisions will make them not vote for him

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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago

Suddenly, climate change isn't so much of an urgent issue? Nor abortion? Nor gay rights?

I'm not happy with what's going on nor what Biden's doing, but there's too many people I care about who will get hurt if Trump wins. And I'm not so selfish as to keep my ideals pure.

Life sucks. If you don't vote for Biden, more Palestinians will die than would otherwise. Is that fucked up? Yeah. Vote for him anyway. The world is cruel, and gives us cruel choices. All we can do is make the best of things.

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago

The only answer that democrats have: "Who else are you going to vote for -- Trump? 😏"

This is why the US will inevitably slide into fascism. You've got a party of fascists and then another party that helps out fascists in a number of ways: https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

Democrats like to position themselves as "the thin blue line" that separates civil society from a fascist hellhole, but just like "the thin blue line" known as the police, they've got fascist tendencies if they're not simply full-blown fascists. To think that this is called a democracy.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

That’s a bingo. I was elated when I had that realization, but also sad that there was nothing we can do about it. It’s what leads me to accelerationist tendencies, that I struggle with. It’s a facet of the ratchet effect in the 2 party system. But when you explain this to people you are called a pessimist and defeatist. It’s reality. On the bright side, after fascism comes a “golden” period, but climate change will limit its possibilities.

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[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago
[-] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

People should vote for Biden over the other guy because the other guy is the worst.

But Biden and his team are fucking morons if they believe funding a genocide won't cost them any votes. Democratic voters aren't in a cult, don't expect 100% of them to fall in line when their president doing extremely unpopular things.

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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

If it is Trump vs. Biden again in 2024, America will have gone 12 years without having someone under the age of retirement on the general ballot. Clinton, Bush, and Trump were all born the same year, with Biden being born 2 years before the three. Of course they all see Palestinians as terrorists, Cubans as rulled by Castro, socialists as Russia supporters, and drugs use as reefer mandness.

Obama was a breath of fresh air because he was finally from a generation that was passed all that. Why can't we find someone else from the next generation to run against Biden in the primary?

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[-] AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 year ago

2024 will basically be a race between a cult leader who deserves to be if they aren't already in jail, and Biden. If you are in the cult, you live in a one party state, if you are out of the cult, you live in a one party state. I see young activists getting screwed either way.

[-] scaredoftrumpwinning@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

It's a vote for democracy or not and it's pretty much at the platform level not just the president. Any GOP majority in either chamber wiill either block democracy or if Trump is the president help dismantle democracy. Same at the state level for the most part.

Don't forget to vote November 7. I'm tired of hearing about book bannings, PragerU getting to our schools, and other hate based policies at the state and town levels.

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[-] HollandJim@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is “they’re all the same” bullshit that some groups use to dissuade you from comparing and deciding on your own. That, and it’s just ageist rhetoric, ignoring Trump is nearly just as old

Don’t listen to this shit. Look at what they say AND what they do, in total. Single issue, lazy, dogmatic thinking is how we got into this sorry state to begin with.

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[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago

Let's get real here.

Biden's poll numbers aren't looking great at the moment. If any significant number of people that otherwise would have been Biden voters sit out the election, Biden loses. It doesn't even have to be voters that had previously voted for him voting for Trump (which is unlikely, since Trump strongly supports Israel's genocidal ambitions as well). They just have to... Not show up.

And yeah, a Biden loss would be far worse for the country--and for Palestinians, and for Ukranians--than a Biden win. But voters that feel ignored aren't likely to care; after all, if you don't feel like the president gives a shit about your views, then does it really matter which of the two shitty choices wins?

To be clear - I'm pissed at Dems. I'm angry that Biden isn't being a lot more forceful about climate change, that he isn't take a take-no-prisoners approach to Republicans' nonsense over the budget, that he's caving in to Israel, that he's not sending Ukrain the weapons they need to drive Russia into the Pacific, and so much more. And yet, shit gets worse a lot faster under Trump. We need to turn around; Biden is gently tapping the brakes, and Trump would put a brick on the gas pedal.

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[-] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 1 year ago

Who exactly is he going to lose to? Not like any other candidate is opposed to war with Palestine.

[-] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 25 points 1 year ago

The problem won't be people voting for republicans instead of Biden, but people choosing not to vote.

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[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago

Fucking right?! As much as Biden sucks, the alternative is soooooo much fucking worse for the Palestinian people, there is no telling what the US response would have been if 45 was still in office. Mfs forgot so fast how 45 wanted a straight up Muslim ban, and now Republicans are trying to expel Palestinian visas in the US. Shit would be 10x worse if the Republicans were in control of the executive branch.

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[-] Godric@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Agree or lose - demographic least likely to vote

If we want to be taken seriously, we need to bring a serious amount of people to the game. We need some fucking Polish energy if we expect to bring this country around

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

I mean TBF almost 50% of people aged 18-24 voted in 2020. If even 10% of those people don't vote for Biden because he was complicit in genocide he's fucked.

[-] qnick@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Biden will be alright. Who would be fucked is US.

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[-] eochaid@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

So if he doesn't change course on Gaza they're going to....vote for Trump? Sure.

[-] quicksand@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

No, they're going to not vote for either. Which should be concerning to anyone wanting to keep Trump out of office.

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[-] Knightfox@lemmy.one 27 points 1 year ago

Aren't young Democrats the lowest turnout group in nearly every state in every election? I'll double check the numbers when I get home, but from memory that was the case.

[-] Moneo@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I can see the onion headline already.

"Non-voters threaten not to vote if Biden doesn't do what they want"

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[-] qwertyWarlord@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Literally can't believe this. It's just another instance of a few loudmouths shooting off making empty threats. "Young activists" aren't going to swing anything and "polls" don't mean shit. 24 is an easy choice because it's the same one as 20, we've got dumb and dumber but dumber is now an unhinged fascist so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago

Ah the comfortable Democratic Party position of telling its voters what they have to support because the GOP exists.

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[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 18 points 1 year ago

Biden can't win here. Whatever he does, he's going to alienate a huge voting bloc. The best option could just be for him to choose not to run.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

I'd be okay with that if he started grooming somebody for it. preferably a progressive.

won't happen, though. zombie politicians. they just won't die.

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[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

Every time I see news about the US I'm more glad I don't live there. How the hell are your only choices a fascist cult leader and a genocide supporter? How is the most armed country so compliant?

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[-] Vqhm@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Is this the same young voters that don't turn up to the elections anyway?

Overhead a young coworker, "they have to give you time off during your shift to go vote, right?"

Me, Yes, but the state law says you have to ask for that time off at least 1 day in advance.

"Oh well. Maybe next year..."

Me, Set a calendar notification for next year!

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[-] TheWoozy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

The attitude expressed by the article makes absolutely no sense.

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