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Hamas is not "exclusively" targeting Israeli civilians. Or do you think they are avoiding military targets? Israel also targets Palestinian civilians, and willingly accepts Israeli civilians as casualties. Literally everything you said applies ten-fold to Israel.
well they are. Of course they also attack military personnel but their attacks on civilians are also directly targeted at them, there are not casualties like the civilians in the israelian attacks, which of course does not justifies these!
Maybe exclusively isn't the right word then
Israel absolutely targets civilians, and if you don't believe that they do, you are willfully blind. There are interviews with soldiers joking about shooting out the knees of protestors. International findings that Israel has deliberately targeted/killed journalists. Hell, they bombed refugees on a road they told them to take! Even if you absolutely refuse to acknowledge any of this, the idea that bombing a hospital or school, when you know that the ratio of civilians to combatants there is 100:1, is somehow morally stronger than if there were no combatants at all, is a ridiculous position to take.
So when a soldier takes the initiative to do something horrible it’s all of israel that it’s at fault. But we need to be very careful about distinguishing between hamas terrorists and palestinians. Don’t you think that seems inconsistent?
The Israeli soldier is enacting violence on behalf of the Israeli state. Hamas is doing the same on behalf of the Palestinian state. Is there a pattern of such behavior from Israeli soldiers? Are there appropriate consequences applied in such cases? The answers are yes, and no, respectively. This isn't just "rogue soldiers", it is a matter of policy.
If Hamas is a "terrorist" organization, then so is the Israeli government. Neither cares to distinguish between combatants and noncombatants. On balance, my sympathy lies with the Palestinian people, relegated to shrinking ghettoes, while a colonial force imports settlers from all over the globe to illegally occupy their homes and farms.
Hamas is also a "state" in that they are a democratically elected political organization that has a monopoly on violence in Gaza. That's the definition of a "state."
However they also engage in terrorism. Kind of a two-fer.
Israel, otoh does not technically engage in terrorism. Instead, their violence against civilians only acts to further the goals and status quo of Hamas. Terrorism by definition is a political act of violence to effect change.
I fail to see how Hamas is a terrorist organization, and the Israeli government isn't. The difference to me seems purely down to PR.
Did you hear the part where he said Hamas has a monopoly on violence in Gaza lmfao
Jesus Christ I actually glossed over that part somehow.
I don’t take anyone calling the descendants of israelites as “settlers” seriously. This is their ancestral home. It doesn’t matter if you reject reality and substitute with your own. There is so much evidence that it’s really imposible to deny it and be taken seriously.
Seriously think about what you are saying. Apply that logic literally anywhere else and see how ridiculous it is. There are people being paid to settle in Israel, whose ancestors left that land 1000 years ago! The idea that such a person has any right to displace someone whose family his been living there for generations is patently absurd. I have some ancestors that left Ireland about 100 years ago. Do I have the right to go to Ireland and commandeer someone's home?
Hamas goal is to kill all jews. Israels goal is to kill all Hamas fighters. That doesn't add up with your claim.
It is certainly convenient to frame this conflict purely in terms of racial hatred. In that case you may want to take a look at all the racist and exterminationist rhetoric that comes from Israeli politicians and settlers. Israel's ultimate goal is annexation of all Palestinian territories.
That is how Hamas frames it. I wouldn't consider it convenient from Israel's pov.
It's very convenient for Israel to pretend that Hamas has no reason other than racism to hate Israel.