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[-] dejected_warp_core@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My two-cent hot-takes on that list of shows:

  • Stargate: For the time, it did the Trek format incredibly well if not better. First season was rough, but oddly found its feet when SciFi took over (weird, right?) Good characters, great villains, fantastic arcs. The show "ends" multiple times, with the last few seasons being less than fan favorites. That said, if you love the characters by the end you may find yourself putting up with late season plot devices. Atlantis is good too, but shorter with slightly less compelling plot hooks. The short-lived SGU sequel/spinoff is has this man-v-man flavor not unlike DSC season 1, but doesn't stand on its own lore-wise.
  • Babylon 5: The even more grounded DS9. But like the oft-compared Trek series, the production values are a 1990's time-capsule, which (today) has a kind of charm to it. The story arcs center around diplomacy, subterfuge, spycraft, and interstellar war, all told in a universe that is delightfully consistent and charts its own territory. Characters play off each other incredibly well once the series gets going.
  • Galactica: I'm going to assume you mean the reboot*. This is a gripping serial epic with very few filler and bottle episodes. Characters grow and evolve, allegiances change, motivations shift, ethics are challenged, and whole personalities get re-written. You can slap "space opera" on the box and be correct, but you can't describe more than two character arcs without filling your mouth with crazy nonsense. Yet somehow, it all works brilliantly and draws you in over and over again. It stands apart from the source material, but has lots of nods and references to the original so that the old farts in the audience are enthused.

(* The original BSG is a hot mess of amazing-for-the-time effects, cool characters, great concepts, and bad studio interference. Best enjoyed using mind-altering substances because that's clearly what the writers were doing)

[-] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Original Galactica: Somehow makes TOS feel mature and grounded.

Reimagined Galactica: The original grimdark reboot. It's one of the few works that did "grimdark reboot" well because at the time "it had the virtue of having never been tried."

This is what Ronald D. Moore did in response to being replaced on Star Trek Voyager for trying to make it the exact same kind of show but was told to make it light-hearted and episodic like TOS or walk. So he walked.

Fuck you, Rick Berman.

Galactica 1980: We don't talk about Galactica 1980.

[-] ArtieShaw@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

So - I swear I tried to google this yesterday and came up empty. I have a weird question.

Was there a third Sci-fi series that aired around the same time as Babylon 5 and DS9? It may have had a plot thread that involved genetically engineered space spies? Like telepathic central intelligence officers? Or am I thinking of B5?

I was in college at the time (mid 90s) and didn't have the free time to watch much TV. I caught an episode here or there and would occasionally talk about shows with my friend Spencer. I'm definitely not thinking about DS9 because I've seen that in its entirety fairly recently.

[-] rockandsock@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Babylon 5 had the Psi Corps, a branch of the military that was made up of people with telepathic powers. I'm guessing that's what you're remembering.

[-] ArtieShaw@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

That must be it. Thanks

[-] porthos@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago

Stargate: like Star Trek except without any of the interesting ideas, there is a cool scene where the U.S. military bros hold up a sub machine gun and say how it is so cool compared to a lame alien staff weapon. Best moment in sci-fi to some people apparently. It’s fine, but it is an action hero show about war and it rarely even remotely approaches the thoughtfulness of the better Star Trek episodes. I like the characters, I have had fun watching it but Stargate can fade away into obscurity and shrug meh.

Battlestar Galactica: yawnnnnn sorry what oh yeah I fell asleep to the monotonous drone of grimdark, military space war scifi. I am sure it is good but again Star Trek is on a whole different level because of its broadness of vision, ideas, and focus on humanity.

Babylon 5: haven’t seen this one in ages, isn’t it another space war scifi?

Star Trek is great because somehow it managed to escape the fly trap that all sci-fi shows/books seem to go to of grimdark space war scifi where everyone is a miserable f^%k. I’m fine with grimdark space wars, I don’t want 100% of my sci-fi to be about grimdark space wars because then you have idiots like Elon Musk who grow up injecting this stuff directly into their veins and they develop an absolutely shockingly tiny worldview. If they had just read some damn fiction that actually challenged their perception of reality like Virginia Woolf or something…. well they probably still be a&$holes but maybe a tiny bit less?

I have heard Red Dwarf is pretty good.

Red Dwarf is good, but I find it leans on the laugh-track a little too hard sometimes. It does a good job of poking fun at sci-fi of the day, and is a great counter-point to BBC sci-fi like Trek and Dr. Who. They may have even shared some of the same sets and props with the latter.

Hyperdrive is in the same vein and has some really great moments. It sits in my head as the midway point between Red Dwarf and The Office. You could even say it was the much lower-budget BBC predecessor to The Orville.

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